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Please pardon my ignorance, but as someone who's never had his EcoDiesel derate, I'm curious what exactly happens. And yes, I've searched. Besides simply derating power output, is there anything else that happens? Any Check Engine lights or instrument cluster notifications? Or do you just notice that you're losing power as temps continue to rise?
Mine has never derated either.
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You are good to go!

The problem really only shows up with high cruise speeds at high ambient temps and gets worse with hill climbs and or weight. I've never had an issue at speeds less than 35mph no matter what the temp was.
With cruising speeds, is 600-700lbs of weight in the bed going to still cause issues even when not towing? We are out west in the mountains a lot. If the Mrs isn't with me I just mount the RTT and I don't drag the trailer, but its still with some weight as I have drawers, tools, gear, etc.
 

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Please pardon my ignorance, but as someone who's never had his EcoDiesel derate, I'm curious what exactly happens.

I haven't experienced a derate with the Jeep or Ram 3rd gen EcoDiesel, but I have with the Ram 2nd gen EcoDiesel. So, keep in mind that there may be some differences, but I would think they would be similar.

On my 2015 EcoDiesel, there is a soft derate and a hard derate. A soft derate gave me a warning chime and the computer cuts off fuel and lowers power output at around 266*F oil and 244*F coolant. If the temps conintue to climb, the engine goes into a hard derate at 270*F oil and 245*F coolant.

By the way, you still can tow in derate, but you are limited on speed and power.
 

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So does power automatically come back after temps drop back into the acceptable range? Are there any messages that the display gives you that go along with the warning chime?
 

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With cruising speeds, is 600-700lbs of weight in the bed going to still cause issues even when not towing? We are out west in the mountains a lot. If the Mrs isn't with me I just mount the RTT and I don't drag the trailer, but its still with some weight as I have drawers, tools, gear, etc.
It would probably take a 10% grade at 110° trying to maintain 65mph before you would have a major issue with that light of a load.
 

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So does power automatically come back after temps drop back into the acceptable range?
Yes, both times my truck went into derate, I was towing a 7,000 lb. travel trailer up a long steep mountain pass. Once I reached the crest, the oil and coolant temps dropped pretty quickly, and the truck went back into normal operation as though nothing ever happened. All power was restored.
 

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It would probably take a 10% grade at 110° trying to maintain 65mph before you would have a major issue with that light of a load.
The reason why the mountain west is so brutal is because many of our mountain passes are so long. That's why the SAE J2807 towing test includes the Davis Dam climb which is 11 miles of constant climbing with an elevation gain of 3,500' feet. That test also requires running the A/C at full capacity in 100*F temperatures.

The only time I've seen hot temperatures in the Midwest was towing in the Ozark mountains. The Ozarks don't have long mountain passes, but they have a bunch of steep climbs that never seem to stop. In that scenario, the engine/transmission doesn't have much time to cool before it's working hard again. So, the constant up and down will get the engine fairly hot.

Slowly down is the best way to regulate temperatures.
 
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Please pardon my ignorance, but as someone who's never had his EcoDiesel derate, I'm curious what exactly happens. And yes, I've searched. Besides simply derating power output, is there anything else that happens? Any Check Engine lights or instrument cluster notifications? Or do you just notice that you're losing power as temps continue to rise?
Nope, nothing happens other than the pedal becomes increasingly "dead" as temp rise. In the early days before the required warranty/recall reflash, mine used to go till it overheated 248° and then the dash would blow up with flashing light warning and you were on the side of the road driving 10mph.
 

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With cruising speeds, is 600-700lbs of weight in the bed going to still cause issues even when not towing? We are out west in the mountains a lot. If the Mrs isn't with me I just mount the RTT and I don't drag the trailer, but its still with some weight as I have drawers, tools, gear, etc.
It would probably take a 10% grade at 110° trying to maintain 65mph before you would have a major issue with that light of a load.
CrazyCooter is pretty close. I've had mine derate once. I was not towing and had less than 200lbs cargo. It was in southern BC on a pass that tops out at just over 1700m (~5800ft) @8% doing 100km(60mph) and ~37C ( ~100F). My Jeep is not the only only one, here is a video where it happened to two other Jeeps.

This was the same pass that I had my derate on.
 

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CrazyCooter is pretty close. I've had mine derate once. I was not towing and had less than 200lbs cargo.
I think we need to differentiate between those who have stock rigs vs those who have modified rigs. Adding larger tires, lift kits, bumpers, etc., will add additional stress to the powertrain.
 

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I think we need to differentiate between those who have stock rigs vs those who have modified rigs. Adding larger tires, lift kits, bumpers, etc., will add additional stress to the powertrain.
True. Mine is stock.
 

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CrazyCooter is pretty close. I've had mine derate once. I was not towing and had less than 200lbs cargo. It was in southern BC on a pass that tops out at just over 1700m (~5800ft) @8% doing 100km(60mph) and ~37C ( ~100F). My Jeep is not the only only one, here is a video where it happened to two other Jeeps.

This was the same pass that I had my derate on.
I think between the venting and additional cooler mods I've seen that help keep temps a little lower and driving slower I would be ok.
 

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I think between the venting and additional cooler mods I've seen that help keep temps a little lower and driving slower I would be ok.
Dropping speeds will do the trick. It takes a little discipline and patience to slow down, but it's an easy and affordable way to control temps.

I've got two 3rd gen EcoDiesels, one in a Ram and one in a Jeep. I've climbed many mountain passes in California, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, and Colorado with the Ram. I've never been able to get my oil temps above 255*F towing a 7,000 lb travel trailer. I can get to 253*F running the Jeep empty on I-40 going through Arizona and New Mexico running 75 mph. So, this gives you an idea how restrictive the cooling is in the Jeep vs the Ram. keep in mind, the Ram EcoDiesel is tuned for more horsepower and torque.

The narrow grille opening and tight engine space are the two reasons for the hot temps in the Jeep. It's the nature of the beast.
 

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I think we need to differentiate between those who have stock rigs vs those who have modified rigs. Adding larger tires, lift kits, bumpers, etc., will add additional stress to the powertrain.
Mine was tested stock tires and 37's back to back on the same hill, same load, and temps within a couple of degrees of each other. The result was almost the same....failing miserably either way except I liked the gear spacing with 37's better both climbing and descending. I do have OEM steel bumper and Warn Zeon winch though. I took off the Mopar grill bar for the second test with stock tires.
 

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Mine was tested stock tires and 37's back to back on the same hill, same load, and temps within a couple of degrees of each other. The result was almost the same....failing miserably either way except I liked the gear spacing with 37's better both climbing and descending. I do have OEM steel bumper and Warn Zeon winch though. I took off the Mopar grill bar for the second test with stock tires.
It would be interesting to see your results at different speeds.

Example:

65 mph
45 mph
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