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This is fun. I do understand payload for the most part. My window sticker and door decal both said 7k towing capacity. I know my softer springs limit payload but according to all the "stickers" there is a 700 LBS difference. We could also argue, if your towing 7700 lbs why buy a Gladiator LOL. To me and what "the paper" says the difference is marginal. I have had a full load in my truck and the brakes SUCK!!

what is you step up to 35's LOL
No window sticker or vehicle decal for any JT I've ever seen actually lists the tow capacity, so please post up a picture of your window sticker and/or door decal that say that, I'd love to see it.
 

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No window sticker or vehicle decal for any JT I've ever seen actually lists the tow capacity, so please post up a picture of your window sticker and/or door decal that say that, I'd love to see it.
i think i still have the window sticker. The deal laminated it.
 

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2022 Max tow has
" Trac–Lok® Anti–Spin Rear Differential ". It's not actually locking diff its limited slip in simple terms
 

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For what it's worth, I bought a Rubicon (2024) instead of the Mojave for the additional towing ( 7k vs. 6k) that was stated, at least on the 2024 models. I bought it when Stellantis was giving the big discounts (I ended with about 34% below MSRP between Stellantis and the dealer). I actually could have had a Mojave for about 1,500 less since the dealers nearby had a lot more Mojaves on their lots and a much better selection. Since I occasionally tow about 5,000 to 5,500 lbs (boat) to and from the marina, I wanted the extra cushion that the Rubicon had. Otherwise, it would have been a Mojave.
 

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lets compare. What does the MAX tow have that the Rubicon doesn't I am curious now. :)

My Gladiator has:
Wide HD axles w/ 4:10
Heavy duty cooling
270 amp alt
trailer tow package w/ flat and round connectors

It does not have:
brake controller
LSD
the extra 700 lbs tow capacity rating of max tow
Oh, come on - here we go again!
NO NO NO. It's not just a collection of parts.
It's center of gravity, weight of the vehicle, springs and more.

It looks like my Mojave X has all of the components of a max tow package to me?
No, it is NOT.
These have to pass tests - and those include taking off with a load from a dead stop up an incline, maneuvering and more. Your taller Mojave with the bigger tires just won't cut it.
It's about heat rejection as well.

We keep coming up with thread after thread where people think gee - I have those parts! I can do that, too.
You don't have the lower center of gravity, you don't have the 32" tires...... shall we start there?
 

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For what it's worth, I bought a Rubicon (2024) instead of the Mojave for the additional towing ( 7k vs. 6k) that was stated, at least on the 2024 models. I bought it when Stellantis was giving the big discounts (I ended with about 34% below MSRP between Stellantis and the dealer). I actually could have had a Mojave for about 1,500 less since the dealers nearby had a lot more Mojaves on their lots and a much better selection. Since I occasionally tow about 5,000 to 5,500 lbs (boat) to and from the marina, I wanted the extra cushion that the Rubicon had. Otherwise, it would have been a Mojave.
Go check the specs for 2025 online. Mojave is 7,000 pounds now, not 6,000.
I posted links and screenshots in yet another "how much can I tow" thread last week.
 

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Not trying to mislead anyone; I am just asking questions. I understand the differences (such as the softer springs affecting the rating).
Tire size - center of gravity and more.
They sized the tires and figured the gear ratio for the "just right" heat rejection calculations for the engine. These must pass a series of testing to be labeled with their towing capacities.
You can't toss on springs, axles, and all of those parts and get there unless you also lower the truck, put on the same tires the Sport S with max tow comes with and so on.

Wow, they are all over the place on the website. I agree maybe the 2025 Mojave X isn't 7k lbs.
https://www.jeep.com/gladiator/specs.mojave-x.html
 

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Tire size - center of gravity and more.
They sized the tires and figured the gear ratio for the "just right" heat rejection calculations for the engine. These must pass a series of testing to be labeled with their towing capacities.
You can't toss on springs, axles, and all of those parts and get there unless you also lower the truck, put on the same tires the Sport S with max tow comes with and so on.



https://www.jeep.com/gladiator/specs.mojave-x.html
You'll never change the rated towing capacity, but only a fool would argue a hemi swapped gladiator on 1 ton axles is a worse tow vehicle than the max tow is stock. For the most part the biggest limiting factor in the tow testing in America is the requirement to tow the max rated load up a long grade in 90⁰ + weather. That is the reason that JLUs in America are rated at 3500lbs and in Australia and Europe the exact same vehicles are rated at 5000lbs. I agree especially with the relatively small grill/radiator that heat rejection is the biggest issue...in that test. If you're towing your boat from the marina with at most a few hundred feet of elevation gain in <80⁰ weather then it's just not an issue. The mojave likely gets is lower rating due to the soft springs by comparison to the Rubicon and especially the max tow. If they bumped it up to 7k for 2025s as mentioned I'm guessing they realized that the springs are stiff enough for the job. Braking, cooling, center of gravity, etc are all the same as they were sken the rating was only 6k pounds.
 
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I have max tow/full pull

But now I also have 3.5 (Clayton premium) lift on 37's, how much did I shoot myself in the foot? what would be a safe number?

p.s. I love these posts.
 

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I have max tow/full pull

But now I also have 3.5 (Clayton premium) lift on 37's, how much did I shoot myself in the foot? what would be a safe number?

p.s. I love these posts.
Just as lowering a Rubicon, putting max tow springs and tires, etc in it won't change the rated capacity, lifting won't change it either. Added weight will lower payload as you are already closer to the gross weight rating but the number doesn't change. Some will argue that the higher center of gravity and larger tires will lower your capacity, but the rating is the rating period. Obviously it won't stop as well or handle as well as it did stock, but that doesn't change the numbers. That's like arguing our speed limits should be decreased after lifting or putting bigger tires on. The enforceable number doesn't change and has plenty of safety margin built into it in my opinion. My mojave is only rated at 6k pounds...before the 3.5" lift and 37s. And yet it had no problem towing an 8400 pounds trailer 600 miles including a grade that goes from 300' elevation to 4k feet in 20 miles. Maintained 65mph, stopped without issue, no sway, and never got above normal operating temps. Allegedly.
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