Oh snap there might be a DPF Delete now :D

[WXman]

I work in the tuning products industry and have attended various seminars about the laws that are being enforced by the EPA, and where their current focuses are (and why).

During recent presentations, the EPA has shown data that they estimate there are ~500k known deleted trucks in existence based on sales data from enforcement actions. This is only the known sales they have observed.

Those ~500k deleted trucks produce emissions output that would equal the same as an additional 9 million compliant trucks.

I personally don't agree with how the laws are written, nor how they are enforced, but I am unfortunately aware of the realities facing the industry. Each delete/defeat/bypass product carries a maximum fine of ~$48k. For example, if someone produces and sells 100 delete kits for a Gladiator, they are subject to up to a $4,800,000 fine. The ROI for these types of products is rapidly dwindling in the face of massive fines, and enforcement actions are rapidly increasing. I suspect that existing products for other applications (3/4 & 1 ton trucks and so forth) will still slip through the cracks for awhile longer, but I doubt new products will be brought to market in today's regulatory environment.

I certainly would not count on a permanent delete and tune solution if you consider those mods as an integral to part of your plans for owning the 3L Diesel. It sucks to say, but as someone mentioned before, if the DPF part is off-putting, simply avoid the diesel.

I have a degree in meteorology and work in the transportation field, so I understand the desire for clean air. But one would think that the idiots at the EPA who know NOTHING about vehicles or mechanics would look at statistics like this and ask themselves the question, "WHY are so many people doing this? There must be a reason."

Unfortunately they are hopelessly clueless and their only mission in life is to work toward this false hope of "saving the planet".

To hell with science that proves we are not and can not going to "destroy the planet" and to hell with the financial desires of the blue collar working man who needs his diesel engine to last as long as possible. They don't care.

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[Glad_he_ate]

It’s funny to me to read and hear the green energy nonsense. I have a degree in electrical service and work as a union electrician. On any given day I may be building solar farms battery banks ev charging stations repairing or updating a nuke plant and so on. Solar is a joke. No one takes into account the amount of carbon produced making those panels. Lithium mines are massive holes that are stripped by diesel machines and then the processing of the materials takes massive amounts of energy… “worth noting I also have a 4xE” so not totally anti ev just no way in hell it’s any cleaner then my diesel. However I’m all for the effort of making “clean energy “ I make a lot of money on it… for what it’s worth you want energy made with near zero carbon output?? Build more nukes.

 

[mrmo]

I think you drastically overestimate the value of doing this and underestimate the capabilities of modern engineering. Catalyst delete kits and high flow replacements are almost non-existent largely because the efficiency today is unreal compared to what it was 20 years ago.

You will save so little doing this that I can all but guarantee the savings will never recoup your costs and your performance gains will likely be within the margin of error.

I have to disagree, several years ago my cousin had a 10 yo Powerstroke was choked out w egr and dpf shit. Was killing the truck. After it was dealt with it ran way better, lots of power, no smoke, no engine continuing to damage itself. Thst 6.4 went 286 thou before he sold it. I think the guy who bought still has it running w/o issues.

 

[mrmo]

who where how...i want one immediately along w a tune

 

[mrmo]

I am happy to deal with a catalytic converter, as it reduces emissions. Likewise the aftertreatment system for a diesel engine reduces emissions. The DPF in particular keeps the black carbon from shooting out the tailpipe. I don’t want to return to the smog filled air from my childhood. …and I want to reduce the global temperature trend. Gaining a few HP for an individual versus the impact on the many is not worth it.

The rise in temperature is impacting the places we like to visit with our trucks, such as our National Parks. So, I repeat myself…. If you don’t want to deal with a DPF, don’t buy a Diesel engine.

Youre full of it...spend money for longevity and have an over reaching gov smut organization destroy it. What about airplanes, boats, trains?? Use some sense

 

[mrmo]

Maybe a simple understanding of how the technology works.
1) EGR technology was developed for the gasoline engine. unburnt fuels recirculate to the intake and get burned. Applying this to the diesel recirculates unburn or partly burn fuels back to the intake that is more often than not in the form of soot. Carbonized soot. It provides no reduction in emissions and no benefit to longevity.
2) the soot that doesn't get rerouted to the EGR gets trapped in the Diesel exhaust filter until it builds up to the point flow and temps are restricted.
3) Regen, purposely retarding the timing to build hotter Exhaust temps in excess of 1600+ degrees to burn the exhaust filter clean and blow the re-burnt soot out the exhaust pipe at temps that can and have started fires.
4) Diesel Exhaust fluid is used to control Nox emissions by combine the DEF with the hot exhaust gas to reduce emissions.

So now we have an idea of the technology being applied... longevity in diesel engines is due to several things. 1) clean fuel, 2) clean air 3) Good maintenance 4) long run times.

-So why port carbonized soot back into the motor? it serves no purpose but to break down cylinder walls and rings. eventually passing into teh oil and bearings. no emission benefit. destructive to teh internal working of the engine.

- most folks don't drive a diesel correctly. No warm up, short runs and expect it to run like a 500HP gas engine. When they tow, they over load and ask it to maintain speed with little to no regard to exhaust gas temps and then wonder why the POS blew up a turbo or melted a valve or piston.

Like others I was hoping for some good information here.... maybe this will help understand what is going on in the diesel with respect to the "enviromental controls"

Hear hear, you are totally correct...its over reach that does NOTHING but spew carbon out while legally destroying our hard earned property. Meanwhile, the politicians, rich and famous and millions of other fly their planes spewing 25X the shit our trucks do. And pretty much most of the rest of the world doesnt play by the same rules as we are forced to do by the tyrants

 

[mrmo]

I have a degree in meteorology and work in the transportation field, so I understand the desire for clean air. But one would think that the idiots at the EPA who know NOTHING about vehicles or mechanics would look at statistics like this and ask themselves the question, "WHY are so many people doing this? There must be a reason."

Unfortunately they are hopelessly clueless and their only mission in life is to work toward this false hope of "saving the planet".

To hell with science that proves we are not and can not going to "destroy the planet" and to hell with the financial desires of the blue collar working man who needs his diesel engine to last as long as possible. They don't care.

EXACTLY!!

 

[LostWoods]

I have to disagree, several years ago my cousin had a 10 yo Powerstroke was choked out w egr and dpf shit. Was killing the truck. After it was dealt with it ran way better, lots of power, no smoke, no engine continuing to damage itself. Thst 6.4 went 286 thou before he sold it. I think the guy who bought still has it running w/o issues.

Bolded and underlined the relevant terms. To repeat myself once again, we are not dealing with the diesels of 20 years ago and what started as a spitball attempt to meet new regulations has more than had enough time to work out the kinks.

To hell with science that proves we are not and can not going to "destroy the planet" and to hell with the financial desires of the blue collar working man who needs his diesel engine to last as long as possible. They don't care.

The consumer killed longevity, not emissions equipment. Diesel engines are no longer tractor engines in a truck body, they're purpose-built and that purpose includes the expected lifetime of a pickup. Just because one happened at the same time as the other doesn't mean one causes the other.

 

[ThatStinging_Jeep]

How bout start with green diesel tune? Always heard good stuff from them and won't require deletes. If I make up my mind to switch to diesel (my own reasons), I plan to go that route.

Yeah i was also thinking about it too,like how much power the engine will make and ive driven my buddies ecodiesel and it feel pepier and i like the tune that the tranny has,doesn't bog down and it feels more responsive,ive yet to drive a deleted Ecodiesel JT but im considering the GDE tune to keep my warranty when i take it to the dealer and flash it back to stock,wich i like too and my buddy hasnt had any problems when he took it to the dealer for his oil changes wich is nice :D

 

[Courtsm3]

Youre full of it...spend money for longevity and have an over reaching gov smut organization destroy it. What about airplanes, boats, trains?? Use some sense

I can remember that exact statistic but a trans Atlantic flight by a jet liner puts out more pollutants that a pre dpf/scr truck over a 50 year lifespan in one flight. I could be way off but it was something wacky like that.

 

[Chance575]

Check how bad a two stroke diesel container ship is

 

[Deleted member 22728]

If maintained and fueled properly, after-treatment systems perform well as designed. In my estimation, the want or desire to alter the existing stream should be taken VERY cautiously.

 

[LetzGoState]

So after some looking around ive seen that theres a Hp tuner Dpf delete,im getting my new ecodisel in about 2 months and ive got some parts inline for my new truck,and im pretty excited this came out
Lets see who buys it first :D

Anyone seen this Canadian Delete?

 

[Glad_he_ate]

I just clicked around the site and could not find a kit for the gladiator that would let me select it…

 

[houseofdiesel]

Anything yet?????? I don't care what anyone's personal opinion is. Don't want more power then move along. They need to stay in their yard and I'll stay in mine. World has too many Karen's, Hitlers, and narcs.

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