Jeep cancels all 4xe Hybrid models!

[WestwallNF104A]

No, it isn't. EVs are absolutely objectively superior as commuter cars. Let's take my wife's car. 3 kids. Sports/school shuttle.

Acura MDX ( her old car ). 22mpg average. I was paying $400/mo for gas.

Blazer EV ( her current car ). Costs nothing to drive. 335 mile range. Charge for free at home from paid off solar that paid for itself in TWO years. My electric bill in SoCal was $800/mo in Summer/Fall. Now? $25. Mandatory taxes and fees.

Explain to me why the Blazer EV is inferior? Why pumping gas is superior? My wife doesn't need to tow a 22k lb trailer 1000 miles a day.

EVs are awesome. Lol at pumping gas for a commuter.

ICE will die. Only a matter of time. Electrification is the future. Everyone has the right to be a luddite, though. Everyone has the right to pay Chevron to travel. I just use the sun for most things. It's free.

Nothing in life is free. But I do look forward to the day when EV's do take over. Using oil for propulsion is ultimately a huge waste. There are so many things that are manufactured from oil it is astonishing. It will be far better to use oil for that than powering cars. No doubt about it.

Let us hope that day comes soon.

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[WILDHOBO]

No, it isn't. EVs are absolutely objectively superior as commuter cars. Let's take my wife's car. 3 kids. Sports/school shuttle.

Acura MDX ( her old car ). 22mpg average. I was paying $400/mo for gas.

Blazer EV ( her current car ). Costs nothing to drive. 335 mile range. Charge for free at home from paid off solar that paid for itself in TWO years. My electric bill in SoCal was $800/mo in Summer/Fall. Now? $25. Mandatory taxes and fees.

Explain to me why the Blazer EV is inferior? Why pumping gas is superior? My wife doesn't need to tow a 22k lb trailer 1000 miles a day. I paid 52k for the Acura in 2014. Paid less for the Blazer EV in 2024. It is superior in every way, even versus a 2024 MDX.

EVs are awesome. Lol at pumping gas for a commuter.

ICE will die. Only a matter of time. Electrification is the future. Everyone has the right to be a luddite, though. Everyone has the right to pay Chevron to travel. I just use the sun for most things. It's free.

My gas Jeep is a fun toy. I don't wish for the death of ICE, but it's inevitable.

200 Percent.

 

[ecidiego]

I bring receipts. Granted I live in Southern California so there's massive sun and I know that in many areas this isn't possible. This is the entire year of 2025 charging the absolute hell out of our EVs and running my air conditioner at 67° about 7 months per year.

I don't want to get into politics but I will tell you I am a conservative Republican who is truly onboard with solar and EVs. Not a tree hugger. This shit is the REAL DEAL.

 

[ecidiego]

If you have sun... solar isn't a 'scam'. It's INSANE how much TOTALLY FREE energy is there for you to take.

If you have sun... BUY AN EV. Life changing. The awesome experience and a much heavier wallet.

I truly wish Jeep would have figured the 4xE out instead of cancelling it. They're making a huge mistake.

 

[MSFTMatt]

Not really. I have a hard time thinking of any bad government policy that first didn't get its start in California.

Add to that the stranglehold Google has on the search engine franchise, or zuck and meta, pretty much everything that is bad comes from Cali.

But now we are straying waaaaaay to far off topic.

I can think of a multitude of horrible policies of late that have started in DC. Guess it’s a matter of perspective and opinion

 

[Oilburner]

I just use the sun for most things. It's free.

Perspective is full of caca. NOTHING is 'free'.

 

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[WILDHOBO]

If you have sun... solar isn't a 'scam'. It's INSANE how much TOTALLY FREE energy is there for you to take.

If you have sun... BUY AN EV. Life changing. The awesome experience and a much heavier wallet.

I truly wish Jeep would have figured the 4xE out instead of cancelling it. They're making a huge mistake.

They won’t likely cancel the pure EVs like the recon. The 4xe was a disaster though. We also like plugins. We have a different PHEV that replaced the disaster, and it works perfectly, regardless of season or outside temp. My daily is a pure EV. Zero range anxiety, and it stickered for less than 32k. I obviously paid less. We had solar on our previous house. We had two EVs at that solar house and our annual electric was under $300. I’ll be installing a land based array for this one, at least is the current plan. And potentially a small wind turbine.

 

[legacy_etu]

They won’t likely cancel the pure EVs like the recon. The 4xe was a disaster though. We also like plugins. We have a different PHEV that replaced the disaster, and it works perfectly, regardless of season or outside temp. My daily is a pure EV. Zero range anxiety, and it stickered for less than 32k. I obviously paid less. We had solar on our previous house. We had two EVs at that solar house and our annual electric was under $300. I’ll be installing a land based array for this one, at least is the current plan. And potentially a small wind turbine.

I hope they get the Recon right. They seem to have screwed up the Wagoneer S and also the Charger launches.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

I bring receipts. Granted I live in Southern California so there's massive sun and I know that in many areas this isn't possible. This is the entire year of 2025 charging the absolute hell out of our EVs and running my air conditioner at 67° about 7 months per year.

I don't want to get into politics but I will tell you I am a conservative Republican who is truly onboard with solar and EVs. Not a tree hugger. This shit is the REAL DEAL.

Oh trust me, I know solar works on the household level. And it works extremely well in certain areas, your area is especially gifted. I plan on adding solar to my home too, I just live in a historic building so the process is quite a bit more involved.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

I can think of a multitude of horrible policies of late that have started in DC. Guess it’s a matter of perspective and opinion

No doubt about that!

 

[WestwallNF104A]

I hope they get the Recon right. They seem to have screwed up the Wagoneer S and also the Charger launches.

To be successful I think an EV needs to be a dedicated platform, not a modification of an existing one.

I think that's where the difficulties arise.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I hope they get the Recon right. They seem to have screwed up the Wagoneer S and also the Charger launches.

I thought from pictures that the wagoneer was going to be larger and fancier. Nope. It was a pointy electric compass.

 

[Dilly’S Willy]

California regulation by and large is not compatible with middle America and it is no longer a place that Americans hold in high regard in anything other than its physical landscape. You wouldnt let a friend or family member with terminal cancer make important life decisions for you and so what regulators in states like California want is irrelevant to states like Ohio.

So that's why CARB regulations supersede EPA regulations regarding emissions, huh? Yes CA regulations soon after become federal regulations when it comes to the automotive industry. That's why a 3-way cat can be 49 state compliant, but not CARB compliant, yet a CARB cat is legal in all 50 states and the EU.

Yes, CAFE standards started in the EU, but even the EU and Canada are following the same path as CA. CAFE is ruining motorcycles more than cars, but it's coming.

1) Acura MDX ( her old car ). 22mpg average. I was paying $400/mo for gas.

2) Blazer EV ( her current car ). Costs nothing to drive. 335 mile range. Charge for free at home from paid off solar that paid for itself in TWO years. My electric bill in SoCal was $800/mo in Summer/Fall. Now? $25. Mandatory taxes and fees.

3) Explain to me why the Blazer EV is inferior? Why pumping gas is superior?

4) My gas Jeep is a fun toy. I don't wish for the death of ICE, but it's inevitable.

1) You live in a state with some of the highest fuel prices, and regulations regarding emissions.

2) Still cost tires (uses fossil fuels), brakes, electrical systems which fail with age/heat/vibrations/cycles. You also paid out the ass for that solar system that has the capacity to not only cover your usage, but also charge your car..AND those Kw/H rates you got when you had it installed don't exist anymore (I worked the solar industry, there's a reason people who can't afford it aren't buying homes either and that's directly related). Not to mention you don't own that electricity when those MANDATED rolling blackouts happen, so all that power you make/store is used by the grid while you're powerless.
- This is also why you see EVs using ICE engines to charge their EV when they "aren't allowed to charge at home" per CA blackouts.

3) Your Blazer EV weighs almost 1k more than my JT, and is smaller with similar range, range that can't be replaced in under 5 minutes, let alone hours of charging (unless you pay for level 3 charging, which you will eventually), and the fact you're limited to WHERE you can go based on that range/charger availability. Pumping your own gas is actually a good thing, look at the idiots in Oregon who couldn't figure it out because they weren't ALLOWED to until recently. And...

4) ICE engines won't be going away for at least another 100 years. Had they started putting properly sized turbos on engines that move the required air for said turbos sooner, we wouldn't be talking about EVs for another 15-20 years. Except there's regulation in the USA that prohibits manufacturers from making ICE engines that are over 83% efficient in passenger vehicles. This is why you see tiny sub-2L turbo engines that fail early, make shit power, and run on the ragged edge 100% of the time (letting the ECM detune the engine so it doesn't explode). Yes ICE engines will go away, just doesn't need to be as soon as those tax credit/tech boys think it should.

I agree politics should NOT be the reason change is made, but sadly that's the world we live in. We went from being the nation that lead in technology and innovation, but that's just not true anymore. America isn't the greatest country in the world like it touts it is, but that's due to ignorant people, and even more ignorant policies. You don't have to like what's being said, just be able to learn from repeated facts. Opinions are irrelevant.

If you do the same experiment and get the same result each time, in science, we call that "fact".

 

[WILDHOBO]

To be successful I think an EV needs to be a dedicated platform, not a modification of an existing one.

I think that's where the difficulties arise.

Maybe, but Chevy and ford have succeeded at it.

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