What does everyone think about the lifespan of the JT model?

[Dakarider]

Eh, I'd they'll be around longer than you think. And the JT can or will adapt if it's required. All-electric is a possibility.

If the future is as rosy as I imagine it, the government will never ban the ICE; the market will just make it so that everyone shifts away from it voluntarily. As long as the infrastructure exists to support it (gas stations), we can enjoy the ICE.

Not so much Gov't banning IC engines as much as taxing/limiting fuel to the extent buying a ICE vehicle would be too costly to own. $3/gal is not cheap, but $5/gal would force me to use vehicle a lot less. If I had to use this everyday to drive to work or something then would probably get something else.

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[dfwxjer]

Not so much Gov't banning IC engines as much as taxing/limiting fuel to the extent buying a ICE vehicle would be too costly to own. $3/gal is not cheap, but $5/gal would force me to use vehicle a lot less. If I had to use this everyday to drive to work or something then would probably get something else.

With the current climate and trends I can see it being mandated in the next 10-15 years. Clearly we'd be able to keep driving the current ICE vehicles but at some point the government will intervene and require automakers to abandon the ICE. With the way electric cars operate we'd lose the solid axles since the motors directly drive the wheels.

Maybe I'm wrong, I'm far from an expert lol.

 

[869 KPH]

Not so much Gov't banning IC engines as much as taxing/limiting fuel to the extent buying a ICE vehicle would be too costly to own.

I mean ultimately it will be driven by what consumers want to afford. I certainly hope we all switch to something else because we want to, not because fuel is taxed in to oblivion. People stopped riding horses everywhere because a car was so. much. better. Maybe when we have the option of a reliable, electric, long-range monster of a Jeep, we'll realize that owning an ICE has become a lifestyle choice.

The problem I have with being taxed/forced out of the ICE is that it's not you and I having fun that is causing too much trouble - it's the hundreds of thousands of old/inefficient fleet vehicles in use constantly every day. Amazon, UPS, FedEx, ... there is a lot of low-hanging fruit.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

That was my opinion, and of the list you gave, yes, zero reasons. Don't care for #1 and #2, the Ranger tows far better because it has the power, Toyota's aftermarket is healthy enough, the Toyota 6MT isn't blowing itself up because the OEM is running the unit at its torque limit, and crank windows are a relic not to be idolized.

Love the truck, but if it lost its off-road capability I'd be in something else.

Yes, I know that was your opinion. I responded to your opinion that was posted on a public forum with my own opinion about a vehicle.

We just proved 2 things. Vehicle purchases are still personal decisions based on many factors and that America is pretty cool with it’s constitution and what not.

Also, I never mentioned Toyota because I know they are in a league of their own. I had the pleasure of spending some time behind the wheel of a Hilux on some bombed out Afghan roads. That little diesel is legit. Also... it had crank windows. ??

 

[FloridaMan655321]

I continue to see more and more Gladiator's on the road, which is encouraging!

I was going to post this. I've only had mine for 6 months, but 6 months ago I would see one every once in awhile, now I see one almost daily. Numbers are growing (for good reason).

On the Dakota comments, it would be really awesome if they made a Dakota at the similar size as the original, which today would be smaller than even a Ranger/Colorado/etc.. 'Midsize' trucks are kind of a joke, I miss when they were a bit smaller. I guess I'll still hold onto my 99 Ranger for a few more years....

 

[NachoRuby]

That was my opinion, and of the list you gave, yes, zero reasons. Don't care for #1 and #2.

I'd bet that's a big reason many purchased their gladiator, but it definitely doesn't hurt its staying power.

I was going to post this. I've only had mine for 6 months, but 6 months ago I would see one every once in awhile, now I see one almost daily. Numbers are growing (for good reason).

On the Dakota comments, it would be really awesome if they made a Dakota at the similar size as the original, which today would be smaller than even a Ranger/Colorado/etc.. 'Midsize' trucks are kind of a joke, I miss when they were a bit smaller. I guess I'll still hold onto my 99 Ranger for a few more years....

I'd say I see as many gladiators now as I do new style rangers, so they are becoming more common. Not as many as there are Tacomas and Colorado/Canyons, but they've been out longer and are more mainstream. They'll survive the switch to electric, so will the Wrangler. They'll just switch to electric in a generation or 2, same as everything else, starting with the f150.

 

[Caraholic]

I think it’s here to stay. Mid size trucks are going to be big and bigger sellers. Fords ignorance in trying to forecefully prove a full-size truck is better by showing powerful capability stats and eliminating its smaller brethren only served toyota in gained sales. Tacoma is now the one to beat. Ten years after killing the best selling midsize because they were to lazy or cash strapped to develop a new ranger looks sad now that they have two (2)!! newer less than full sized models. wow- can you say misjudged that???
The truck market it the most competitive vehicle segment in the world. Ford sells about a million f150 a year Alone, and since they’ve canned all they’re sedans and added new trucks I’d say that that is where your tea leaves should be directing your answers too....

 

[Caraholic]

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...mbers-reported-77-542-units-sold-total.38798/

In the above thread is the 2020 sales numbers for FCA. The gladiator sold 77k in 2020. A subsequent first quarter post showed a 23% increase and 18.8k first quarter sales for 2021. So sales seem solid. I don't know what Jeep thought sales would be. My logic would be they wouldn't expect wrangler level sales, they had to expect some wrangler losses to Gladiator. I'd bet that not all but most of the members here have other jeeps and that a wrangler would have been the leading vehicle if not for the Gladiator. (Not everyone, I know)

my guess is 50% of wrangler sales is good for Gladiator??? So 100ka year +/-

Stated sales goal was around 70k. They’ve been exceeding that...

 

[am1978]

LOL,

I continue to see more and more Gladiator's on the road, which is encouraging!

I hardly saw any until I placed my order in early May and then I must have had Gladiator on the brain, like everywhere I turned—a gladiator, another one, another one. I wasn’t even looking for them. I got mine today!

 

[shyoung1]

As many as I’m seeing in my small town, they are here for a while. Like I tell people, it’s the best overall vehicle out there right now! Of course I might be a little biased as I like Jeep’s and pickups.

 

[Gvsukids]

Cash for clunkers was a great government program for moving people into newer vehicles, maybe that'll be the way to transition from ICE, into electric vehicles

 

[Aonarch]

Ford revealed the compact Maverick today.

Key details:

1. Unibody construction; 1 foot shorter than Ranger
2. Starting price for FWD hybrid under $20,000; 2.5T AWD available
3. 5-foot bed
4. Estimated 40 MPG

This is the third unibody pickup to enter the market, next to Honda Ridgeline and Hyundai Santa Cruz. It will make Ridgeline look grossly overpriced, IMO.

These compact pickups are likely to change the dynamics in the midsize pickup segment, particularly for more generic models like Ranger, Colorado, Tacoma and Frontier. I think Gladiator is unique enough to stand on its own two feet.

Here is an overview of the new Maverick:

I'm sure Ford did extensive market research, but I just can't see that selling well in the US and Canada.

I assume this is a global vehicle, if so APAC and LATAM would like it, but at low margins.

 

[bleda2002]

I'm sure Ford did extensive market research, but I just can't see that selling well in the US and Canada.

I assume this is a global vehicle, if so APAC and LATAM would like it, but at low margins.

I actually think it's gonna sell like hot cakes. It's cheap it looks relatively good for a small truck, it's fuel efficient and even fully optioned tops out around 37k.

It's the truck for people who buy sedans and small SUVs but would rather have way more utility and space with better gas mileage.

 

[TroutFishingInAmerica]

That was my opinion, and of the list you gave, yes, zero reasons. Don't care for #1 and #2, the Ranger tows far better because it has the power, Toyota's aftermarket is healthy enough, the Toyota 6MT isn't blowing itself up because the OEM is running the unit at its torque limit, and crank windows are a relic not to be idolized.

Love the truck, but if it lost its off-road capability I'd be in something else.

I haven't heard anything about Jeep manual transmissions blowing up, what is up with that? Enlighten me.

 

[DirkG]

Consumer demand remains strong, but there are many factors at play when predicting if a vehicle has long-term sustainability. Switching primary propulsion from ICE to electric is a huge factor; however, the Wrangler 4xe lends hope for the Gladiator's adaptability as well.

Remember that Ford sold over 300,000 Fusions as recent as 2015, but now the car is dead. Anything can happen.

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