Sponsored

Both Batteries Dead 2020 Gladiator $898 to replace!?!???

MCATDT

Well-Known Member
First Name
Paul
Joined
Oct 20, 2020
Threads
21
Messages
278
Reaction score
454
Location
Orlando, Florida
Vehicle(s)
2020 Gladiator
Jeep batteries are definitely not top of the line. My 2020 JT has been a weekend only vehicle for the last year(13k on her). Had to replace both batteries under warranty before they were a year old. My JKU went through 2 batteries in 3 years. Florida heat wreaks havoc on the stock batteries.
Sponsored

 

Jeeperjamie

Well-Known Member
First Name
Jamie
Joined
Feb 12, 2020
Threads
135
Messages
4,754
Reaction score
5,412
Location
Kannapolis nc
Vehicle(s)
2020 jeep gladiator
Occupation
Weyerhaeuser
Vehicle Showcase
1
Jeep batteries are definitely not top of the line. My 2020 JT has been a weekend only vehicle for the last year(13k on her). Had to replace both batteries under warranty before they were a year old. My JKU went through 2 batteries in 3 years. Florida heat wreaks havoc on the stock batteries.
Dang, It gets hot in my area of North Carolina also but we do have a winter. In 7yrs of ownership I only replaced the battery in my JKU once and that was after 6yrs of owning it and I was the second owner, bought it with 11,000 miles on it.
 

ShadowsPapa

Well-Known Member
First Name
Bill
Joined
Oct 12, 2019
Threads
247
Messages
40,440
Reaction score
53,854
Location
Runnells, Iowa
Vehicle(s)
'25 JTMX, '23 JLU 4xe, '82 SX4, '73 Javelin
Occupation
Retired auto mechanic, frmr gov't ntwrk security admin
Vehicle Showcase
3
My wife's 2018 WK2 was about 4 or 6 weeks short of the 36 months when it got to the point that ESS stopped working and after sitting 4 or 5 days, it wouldn't start (wouldn't crank). I jumped it twice for her and it was fine for a couple of days. Sitting for a few day, same thing so I started to keep a charger on it when it sat unused. That worked for a short time then finally I pulled the charger off one day and the voltage dropped within a minute or so down to about 11 or so volts. Couldn't keep above 12.
Dealer replaced both batteries - this was in about September 2020 - they said they'd seen a lot of the same symptoms and had been replacing a lot of batteries. Aux would go bad and drain the crank battery and do it often enough it would no longer hold a charge.
 

BAT

Well-Known Member
First Name
Blaine
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Threads
109
Messages
2,313
Reaction score
2,057
Location
Katy, TX
Vehicle(s)
Jeep Gladiator Sport S Max Tow Sting Grey
It took 30 minutes with cleaning dirt & leaves and dust out to replace the aux battery in my 20 JTR, from the top. It's not complicated.
Sorry but its still a sucky system and they could have come up with something better. That fricking little battery damn near left me stranded in the middle of nowhere.
 

Lunentucker

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Threads
245
Messages
5,866
Reaction score
15,357
Location
Virginia
Vehicle(s)
2021 Jeep Gladiator Mojave
Occupation
People Work?
This is a great solution to the terrible AUX battery. Just sucks for anyone with extended warranty as it would void the entire electrical system which is probably the biggest $$$.
It doesn't delete the auxiliary battery in function, just physically. It replaces it with another full-sized battery.
It may still void the warranty, but that would be worth challenging since it simply upgrades the little lawn mower battery to a full-sized one.
 
Last edited:

Sponsored

Lunentucker

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Threads
245
Messages
5,866
Reaction score
15,357
Location
Virginia
Vehicle(s)
2021 Jeep Gladiator Mojave
Occupation
People Work?
I've been researching what to do in case mine goes this same way, and I think the simplest, cheapest, and easiest solution is found here.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/aux-battery-ess-system.85696/page-2#post-1791098

Remove the auxiliary battery and associated cabling and make a simple non-fused jumper to move all of the electrical to the main adult-sized battery. Install a quality full-sized battery and you are done.
If you need lots of auxiliary power, the little hard to get at battery was never doing that work anyway, so then you can consider spending $1300+ on the Genesis setup with two full-sized batteries.

Here's the collection of crap that gets tossed.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/aux-battery-ess-system.85696/page-3#post-1792466

Jeep Gladiator Both Batteries Dead 2020 Gladiator $898 to replace!?!??? IMG_0951
 

chorky

Well-Known Member
First Name
Chad
Joined
Feb 26, 2022
Threads
175
Messages
3,466
Reaction score
3,801
Location
Montana
Website
www.youtube.com
Vehicle(s)
'22JTR, '06 LJ, '06 TJ GE
Build Thread
Link
Occupation
GIS Specialist
This is a great solution to the terrible AUX battery. Just sucks for anyone with extended warranty as it would void the entire electrical system which is probably the biggest $$$.
I'm pretty sure there is a new law that states a dealership has to prove XX accessory caused a problem to occur. Before I chose the gladiator I was looking at Ford truck options. And in talking with the service department there they were the ones who told me about that law. That came about in a discussion of doing lifts and winches and random stuff there on a brand new vehicle. I used to work for Ford back in the day and aftermarket stuff was never a thing....ever. but now more and more dealers do them. This dealer told me that very law - can't remember what its called. And who knows they could have been blowing smoke. But I've heard about that a couple times now. It would be nice to get the actual true answer though.... If anyone here can post a link to that supposed law if it does in fact exist that would be awesome.



My wife's 2018 WK2 was about 4 or 6 weeks short of the 36 months when it got to the point that ESS stopped working and after sitting 4 or 5 days, it wouldn't start (wouldn't crank). I jumped it twice for her and it was fine for a couple of days. Sitting for a few day, same thing so I started to keep a charger on it when it sat unused. That worked for a short time then finally I pulled the charger off one day and the voltage dropped within a minute or so down to about 11 or so volts. Couldn't keep above 12.
Dealer replaced both batteries - this was in about September 2020 - they said they'd seen a lot of the same symptoms and had been replacing a lot of batteries. Aux would go bad and drain the crank battery and do it often enough it would no longer hold a charge.
Knowing the system as well as you do, do you think that a genesis kit, and using the second battery as a replacement for the factory aux battery, would be a option to consider for those worried about it and about being stranded?

sucky system and they could have come up with something better. That fricking little battery damn near left me stranded
this is something I actually worry about quite a lot....

I've been researching what to do in case mine goes this same way, and I think the simplest, cheapest, and easiest solution is found here.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/aux-battery-ess-system.85696/page-2#post-1791098

Remove the auxiliary battery and associated cabling and make a simple non-fused jumper to move all of the electrical to the main adult-sized battery. Install a quality full-sized battery and you are done.
If you need lots of auxiliary power, the little hard to get at battery was never doing that work anyway, so then you can consider spending $1300+ on the Genesis setup with two full-sized batteries.

Here's the collection of crap that gets tossed.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/aux-battery-ess-system.85696/page-3#post-1792466

IMG_0951.jpg
interesting. thank you for this info. thats quite a lot of stuff. So how does the alternator tie to the battery then. Isn't the harness that goest to the alternator, main batt, and secondary batt all one wire?
 

Iowafarm

Well-Known Member
First Name
Michael
Joined
May 7, 2021
Threads
1
Messages
155
Reaction score
195
Location
SCHLESWIG Iowa
Vehicle(s)
Gladiator Rubicon, Chevy Camaro SS, HD Wideglide
Occupation
Farmer
It’s sad that Jeep or any other auto maker would put a battery where the auto stop start battery is on these gladiators undoubtably the engineers that come up with this crap has never changed out a battery before
The stupid shit engineers do sometimes blows my mind. Countless times when fixing very simple things in very unsim0le place on my tractor and semi makes me lose it. Trying to shove a transmission filter between the drive shaft and frame then turn it 90 degrees and try to screw it on blind with corn stocks poking you in the back with oil running down your arm is a treat let me tell you. On my sprayer they ent from a Cummings motor to a John Deere motor so now you need a step ladder to check the oil because it is the non platform side. I could go on and on. Basically these dip shit only know how to build things and have no clue on what it takes to fix things.
 

Lunentucker

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Threads
245
Messages
5,866
Reaction score
15,357
Location
Virginia
Vehicle(s)
2021 Jeep Gladiator Mojave
Occupation
People Work?
I'm pretty sure there is a new law that states a dealership has to prove XX accessory caused a problem to occur. Before I chose the gladiator I was looking at Ford truck options. And in talking with the service department there they were the ones who told me about that law. That came about in a discussion of doing lifts and winches and random stuff there on a brand new vehicle. I used to work for Ford back in the day and aftermarket stuff was never a thing....ever. but now more and more dealers do them. This dealer told me that very law - can't remember what its called. And who knows they could have been blowing smoke. But I've heard about that a couple times now. It would be nice to get the actual true answer though.... If anyone here can post a link to that supposed law if it does in fact exist that would be awesome.




Knowing the system as well as you do, do you think that a genesis kit, and using the second battery as a replacement for the factory aux battery, would be a option to consider for those worried about it and about being stranded?


this is something I actually worry about quite a lot....


interesting. thank you for this info. thats quite a lot of stuff. So how does the alternator tie to the battery then. Isn't the harness that goest to the alternator, main batt, and secondary batt all one wire?
The alternator ties back to the main block at the fuse box and the jumper moves everything over to the main battery only. There are some diagrams in that thread that might explain it better.

Jeep Gladiator Both Batteries Dead 2020 Gladiator $898 to replace!?!??? 36L dual batteries


It also helps to watch the Genesis installation video, as many of the same components are handled to move the auxiliary battery workload over to the new full sized secondary battery.

 

KC_H

Well-Known Member
First Name
KC
Joined
Mar 31, 2021
Threads
6
Messages
172
Reaction score
200
Location
Florida
Vehicle(s)
Gladiator Rubicon
Occupation
Retired
This is a great solution to the terrible AUX battery. Just sucks for anyone with extended warranty as it would void the entire electrical system which is probably the biggest $$$.
It will not void the warranty on the entire electrical system...

The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act governs this...
 

Sponsored

jebiruph

Well-Known Member
First Name
Jerry
Joined
Dec 9, 2018
Threads
15
Messages
806
Reaction score
730
Location
IA
Vehicle(s)
2018 Wrangler JL 2024 Grand Cherokee L WL 2020 Gladiator JT
It doesn't delete the auxiliary battery in function, just physically. It replaces it with another full-sized battery.
It may still void the warranty, but that would be worth challenging since it simply upgrades the little lawn mower battery to a full-sized one.
The Genesis system converts the 2 battery ESS system to a single battery ESS system with an extra battery by moving the aux battery cables to the main battery. The second battery in the Genesis does not perform the function of the aux battery in the ESS system.
Jeep Gladiator Both Batteries Dead 2020 Gladiator $898 to replace!?!??? 1653742299557
 

Uparms

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 23, 2019
Threads
109
Messages
1,080
Reaction score
869
Location
Delaware
Vehicle(s)
2023 JT, 2020 JT, 72 CJ5,2005 LJ, 2002 TJ, 92 YJ
Vehicle Showcase
1
Mines got 51,000 miles on it and I haven't had any issues. A tech told me that sometimes if you don't use the ESS system and keep turning it off that the battery won't charge or something and that it was wise to let the system do it's thing. He said some of the issues they have saw is when people use weird ways to disable the ESS and then start having battery issues. I always let mine act as it should and never turn it off. Not sure how much truth there is in what the tech said but mines been fine.
I have had mine turned off most of these 49K miles. Disconnected at hood switch. Again, 49K miles, orig batts and 8/2019 purchase.
 

Uparms

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 23, 2019
Threads
109
Messages
1,080
Reaction score
869
Location
Delaware
Vehicle(s)
2023 JT, 2020 JT, 72 CJ5,2005 LJ, 2002 TJ, 92 YJ
Vehicle Showcase
1
The Genesis system converts the 2 battery ESS system to a single battery ESS system with an extra battery by moving the aux battery cables to the main battery. The second battery in the Genesis does not perform the function of the aux battery in the ESS system.
1653742299557.png
That's how I heard it in theri video.
 

Lunentucker

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Threads
245
Messages
5,866
Reaction score
15,357
Location
Virginia
Vehicle(s)
2021 Jeep Gladiator Mojave
Occupation
People Work?
I have had mine turned off most of these 49K miles. Disconnected at hood switch. Again, 49K miles, orig batts and 8/2019 purchase.
That's what I'm going to do. I don't care about a light on the dash, and when I'm sitting still it's not burning enough fuel to matter.
 

Jeeperjamie

Well-Known Member
First Name
Jamie
Joined
Feb 12, 2020
Threads
135
Messages
4,754
Reaction score
5,412
Location
Kannapolis nc
Vehicle(s)
2020 jeep gladiator
Occupation
Weyerhaeuser
Vehicle Showcase
1
I have had mine turned off most of these 49K miles. Disconnected at hood switch. Again, 49K miles, orig batts and 8/2019 purchase.
I'm just saying what I heard which may be write or wrong. I still have the original battery in mine as well, 51,000 miles in and purchased February 2020. Who knows but it just seems like a lot of people who don't use the ESS have battery issues, I've read it numerous times, in numerous threads on here and in other forums. Could just be a coincidence though.
Sponsored

 
 







Top