max payload

[basicGlad]

Max tow requires the auto

What doesn't make any sense to me is the payload drops if you add the tow package. You would think the extra cooling would help. I don't get that

take a closer look at the automagical, Sport / Sport S
tow package = 1,100 payload
max tow pkg = 1,550 payload

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[Hemi]

take a closer look at the automagical, Sport / Sport S
tow package = 1,100 payload
max tow pkg = 1,550 payload

Second set of boxes, manual with the tow package. Payload drops to 1200 from whomever has 1600. I don't get that. Tow package is class iv receiver, beefier alternator, bigger fan for better cooling. Why does that drop the payload?

 

[basicGlad]

Second set of boxes, manual with the tow package. Payload drops to 1200 from whomever has 1600. I don't get that. Tow package is class iv receiver, beefier alternator, bigger fan for better cooling. Why does that drop the payload?

this is again the automagical... but from bone stock to tow package... they're listing a 50LB drop in payload...

for the Manual (top two boxes) its confusing because they have both 1200 & 1600, but you're right... 1200 with tow package and either the "sport / sport s" has 1600

THERE IS NO WAY the trailer hitch, better engine cooler (what ever that is) and better alternator weighs 400 LBS to decrease the pay load @_@

 

[Hemi]

this is again the automagical... but from bone stock to tow package... they're listing a 50LB drop in payload...

for the Manual (top two boxes) its confusing because they have both 1200 & 1600, but you're right... 1200 with tow package and either the "sport / sport s" has 1600

THERE IS NO WAY the trailer hitch, better engine cooler (what ever that is) and better alternator weighs 400 LBS to decrease the pay load @_@

The better cooling is a more powerful fan to draw more air through the various coolers (transmission, radiator, probably oil). To power it they put in a larger alternator.

And I agree that better cooling and a trailer hitch should not drop the payload 400 pounds. I don't get it

 

[basicGlad]

@Hemi I phoned jeep back and got a different girl, she was able to dig a lot and produced similar info to TFL truck.

however she wasn't able to look at or reference the gladiator brochure... still this info the jeep girl had over the phone says the manual rubicon has 1,600 of payload (like the brochure)... and TFL says that same configuration has 1200. also she couldn't specify the difference between the sport and sport s payload.

 

[Rex3rd]

Second set of boxes, manual with the tow package. Payload drops to 1200 from whomever has 1600. I don't get that. Tow package is class iv receiver, beefier alternator, bigger fan for better cooling. Why does that drop the payload?

From what I heard it has to do with the added weight of the auto transmission. The manual is lighter so it gets the max payload but loses alot of towing

 

[Ray Howrad]

Yes, Sport with manual trans for the maximum payload because that's the lightest configuration possible.

Any options you add after that subtract from that number. My heavily optioned Sport S is 1,511, indicating that my options total 89 lbs.

Thanks for this. I was wondering why my Max Tow is only rated at 1,526 lbs.

 

[basicGlad]

so.... 10% of 4,000 (what jeep says the manual tows) is 400 lbs and that's the difference between the 1200 / 1600...

anybody think the GVWR they're giving isn't including tongue weight or does GVWR always include tongue weight?

 

[Hemi]

From what I heard it has to do with the added weight of the auto transmission. The manual is lighter so it gets the max payload but loses alot of towing

The tow package, not the max tow, is a more powerful fan, 240 amp alternator, and a class iv hitch.

Why does that drop the payload by 400 pounds for the Sport S with manual transmission, and does not affect the Sport with manual transmission?

You can option the tow package with manual transmission. The max tow is what requires the auto.

 

[SandSurfer]

Sorry, but I'm 60 years old, been driving pick up trucks most of my adult life, and I've never really been worried that much about a payload capacity! What does 200 lbs. really matter!!!!

 

[Mr._Bill]

These numbers are calculated by the engineers, based on a combination of factors for each factory-equipped model. They include the transmission, axles, gear ratio, shocks, springs, tires, and cooling capacity. The capabilities of each model are very similar, since they are all built on the same truck frame. Different options affect the payload rating, not the actual payload capability. If the tow option is added, the numbers change, not only based on the equipment changes but on the added assumption that the additional payload is always attached. These ratings are largely to protect FCA from liability. If you load your truck beyond its capabilities, and cause a huge accident, you can't sue FCA. They can point to the table in the owners manual and tell you it's your own fault, because you exceeded the ratings they provided.

 

[basicGlad]

If the tow option is added, the numbers change... on the added assumption that the additional payload is always attached

do you think the 1200/1600 difference is for tongue weight of a 4,000 LB payload? 10% = 400 LBS?
I did also talk to a mechanic today who thought the same thing... the decreased GVWR is because they assume if you're towing a trailer you also have more people on board.

 

[Mr._Bill]

do you think the 1200/1600 difference is for tongue weight of a 4,000 LB payload? 10% = 400 LBS?
I did also talk to a mechanic today who thought the same thing... the decreased GVWR is because they assume if you're towing a trailer you also have more people on board.

Yes, those are all assumptions that have to go into the calculations. They essentially have to calculate worst-case scenario (heaviest load) for every rating combination. What the chart says, what your truck is actually capable of, and what you can get away with, in any given situation, are all going to be very different numbers.

This would be an opportunity for some engineer to create a phone app. Enter the vehicle configuration, including changes from factory options, the number and weight of the passengers, and the weight of any loaded gear. Get the max payload rating and max towing capacity. Enter the actual payload and get the max trailer weight allowed, or enter the actual trailer weight and get the max payload allowed. Of course, it would have to come with a liability disclaimer that has to be agreed to every time the program is opened.

 

[basicGlad]

@Mr._Bill any chance you think with the tow package there are beefed up springs or extra metal to connect that trailer hitch adding 400lbs of weight? from what I have seen online I cannot confirm.

 

[Rubicon Bob]

I am surprised that nobody has mentioned that there are more options on the Sport S over the regular Sport. That will also account for the weight difference.

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