Talk me off the ledge…

[Jefe1018]

I figured you was snooping around dealer lots since you got a bug for something different.

I liked the power wagon… basically a bigger JTR. Too big for my daily needs but will do more towing (yes I know less than the standard HD truck) than I’ll ever need. I’ll just need a second mortgage for those 8-10MPG I’d be losing.

The JT is here for the next little bit, I didn’t even let them throw a number at me on it.

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[Charles 236]

Talk him off the ledge. Hell........let's push him off the ledge and watch him go spat. Just like the coyote.




Bore at work and clock watching.

Exactly what I was thinking. I have jumped enough times for something different, and now it's time for me to watch others jump.

Problem is, whatever looks good now (looks more capable of doing what he wants) is going to fall short on some way. No truck or car is finished from the factory, there is always room for some improvement.

 

[Jefe1018]

Exactly what I was thinking. I have jumped enough times for something different, and now it's time for me to watch others jump.

Problem is, whatever looks good now (looks more capable of doing what he wants) is going to fall short on some way. No truck or car is finished from the factory, there is always room for some improvement.

JT is a jack of all trades, master of none.

The only real solution here is two true tools, one for towing duty and the other for rocks and trails.

Long live the JT.

 

[Charles 236]

JT is a jack of all trades, master of none.

The only real solution here is two true tools, one for towing duty and the other for rocks and trails.

Long live the JT.

I agree. I bought a Gladiator because I didn't want a full size truck, and I won't buy a non Chrysler product (I work at a Chrysler dealership). I don't need to tow anything, but if I did, I would have stepped up to a Ram 1500 or higher, depending on what I needed to tow. The Gladiator does enough truck things for me, and serves as my daily driver.

 

[Sandman 4x4]

Who tows at or anywhere near 80 mph, regardless of the tow vehicle? That is just nuts. There's a reason many highways out west post "55 mph for all vehicles when towing." It takes one waggle and it's all over at 80 mph.

Not to mention most trailer tires are not rated for that speed.

 

[Sweetums]

Just remember: If it was meant to go fast it would not be shaped like a brick.

F-4 Phantom has entered the chat

 

[Flyboy2109]

Enter the F-105

 

[Sweetums]

Still not as much of a flying brick as the F-4, which shows anything can break the sound barrier with enough thrust.

 

[keithcroshaw]

IMO you shouldn’t pass 60 while towing with a non commercial rated vehicle. I keep it in manual 7th gear unless it’s a pita. Temps always stay low. But I’m a stock sport s with towing (not max tow) 3.6 gasser. So I can’t speak to how much the diesel is affecting that. Good luck, maybe just take it slower and get it to 7th. Tire size might be affecting getting to 7th so maybe a regear as others have said.

 

[Schnee]

I have a stock JT ecodiesel Rubicon, and towed a flatbed trailer care hauler of similar ilk 200 miles to Salem, OR area from Seattle, WA and back two weeks ago at the beginning of August. Got 25 mpg towing the empty flatbed at freeway speeds--no cooling issues, ever. Got ~19 mpg towing back with a 2500 lbs UTV loaded on the trailer back home.

I also tow a 3500 lbs. boat with trailer hundreds of miles a handful of times each year, including up and over mountain passes. Never a problem with overheating or derating.

Makes me wonder if your tire size might be the towing culprit?

 

[Slojo]

Extra Large tires. Lifted creates an even bigger frontal area. Truck is down 2 grand before you put a trailer on it

 

[raypla]

I derated towing my 16’ 50hp boat thru Adirondacks with oe Rubicon tires. Once I put it in manual mode, kept it from lugging, it didn’t happen again.

 

[AmishMike]

When ambient temps are that high, I see trans temps that high with my gas job. I pull a 16' camper. Thinking about some 'Wetter Water' or similar to raise specific gravity. I have used it before in hot rods etc. and usually see a 5-7° radiator drop, so only a slight help with trans.
I can tell you that running a higher octane makes a huge difference (8 mph sweetspot and 1.5 mpg), not sure if a cetane boost or similar would help?

My camper is 16' and 2480 lbs. dry. 11 mpg forging my own path, 18 mpg drafting. It is all about wind resistance, even behind a brick.

 

[kevman65]

Talk him off the ledge. Hell........let's push him off the ledge and watch him go spat. Just like the coyote.




Bore at work and clock watching.

JUMP! JUMP! JUMP!


If I needed to tow regularly, I'd find an older full sized pick-up and buy it.

I don't have a towing need, but I had a hauling need and didn't/don't want to use the JT for it. So I got an older soccer-mom van, removed everything behind the front seats, bought a rubber horse stall mat and put it in the back.

 

[Jefe1018]

IMO you shouldn’t pass 60 while towing with a non commercial rated vehicle. I keep it in manual 7th gear unless it’s a pita. Temps always stay low. But I’m a stock sport s with towing (not max tow) 3.6 gasser. So I can’t speak to how much the diesel is affecting that. Good luck, maybe just take it slower and get it to 7th. Tire size might be affecting getting to 7th so maybe a regear as others have said.

Speed limits of 75 and people cruising 10 over make going 60 harder.

Luckily the JT was happy at 55-60, even if I am being aggressively overtaken.

These particular tires were N rated, up to 85mph.

I have a stock JT ecodiesel Rubicon, and towed a flatbed trailer care hauler of similar ilk 200 miles to Salem, OR area from Seattle, WA and back two weeks ago at the beginning of August. Got 25 mpg towing the empty flatbed at freeway speeds--no cooling issues, ever. Got ~19 mpg towing back with a 2500 lbs UTV loaded on the trailer back home.

I also tow a 3500 lbs. boat with trailer hundreds of miles a handful of times each year, including up and over mountain passes. Never a problem with overheating or derating.

Makes me wonder if your tire size might be the towing culprit?

Wouldn’t surprise me if tire size matters, but for a fact ambient temperatures do with our platform, I towed a give or take similar sized boat to and from Houston in the winter one year… not a single issue... even with. 37’s.

Sadly, our cooling systems are limited and that’s maybe not okay, just is what it is.

IMO you shouldn’t pass 60 while towing with a non commercial rated vehicle. I keep it in manual 7th gear unless it’s a pita. Temps always stay low. But I’m a stock sport s with towing (not max tow) 3.6 gasser. So I can’t speak to how much the diesel is affecting that. Good luck, maybe just take it slower and get it to 7th. Tire size might be affecting getting to 7th so maybe a regear as others have said.

Gas motors don’t tend to run as hot as the diesel in this platform. I kept in manual, 5th and 6th gears and temps were still high.

I derated towing my 16’ 50hp boat thru Adirondacks with oe Rubicon tires. Once I put it in manual mode, kept it from lugging, it didn’t happen again.

I’ve actually never experienced a full derate because I always watch temps, keeping the speed low helps a lot.

JUMP! JUMP! JUMP!


If I needed to tow regularly, I'd find an older full sized pick-up and buy it.

I don't have a towing need, but I had a hauling need and didn't/don't want to use the JT for it. So I got an older soccer-mom van, removed everything behind the front seats, bought a rubber horse stall mat and put it in the back.

Since I’ve been into off-roading, towing, camping, hunting I’ve only had two other vehicles: a 2007 Jeep Commander Hemi QD-II and a 2011 Nissan Xterra X. Both of those, I could just jump in, hook up the boat and go. Makes me kind of sad that if I need to do that and bring back a car or truck or in this case, an empty trailer, I can’t even drive the speed limit on a modest day, at least by this desert’s standard, in a truck with more torque and being 5-8x more than what I paid for the other two.

Not so much a stain on the JT rep as much as a limitation.

JT serves my purpose 90% of the way. That final 10% makes me wonder if I can stop with the kool aid now.

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