The 4XE

[BAT]

Yeah right now it's a dirty thing but I'm pretty confident it can get better with a massive push in making it cleaner. It definitely has the potential. Some of what we need to make electricity cleaner already exists. Solar is getting much cleaner that it used to be and more efficient. It can happen. Hopefully sooner than later too.

They all have benefits and a place but they all come at a cost somewhere along the line.

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[Matt84]

Color matched factory bumper. Dealer add on to jack up the price? I don't know if anyone has ever requested that intentionally.

High Altitude edition includes body color bumpers. 4xe is only available in Sahara, Rubicon and high altitude currently.

 

[XJADDICTION]

The 4xe is just a test of the platform... YES, is it to interest the Greenies in a purchase they normally would not make... YES
Is it an option for the techies that love new technology... ahhh, Maybe but it’s really not that techy... yet. Is it for the commuter that has a less than 50 mile drive into work can charge while at work and drive back home on a charge using no fuel... YES. (My commute is 34 miles each way, so it could work, but I need a truck and a road dog for long adventure trips).

Is the 4XE the end game for Jeep/Fiat... NO. This is a test platform and all major manufacturers have a test platform or the real deal. The tech to replace the internal combustion engine is 5-10 years away.

I was passed by 3 Tesla’s yesterday all in the HOV lane single passenger because they are allowed with low emissions vehicle. I was driving 75mph, they were easily running 80mph.

Tesla reaches the million cars sold benchmark in 2020. Tesla, Elon Musk , is heavily invested in infrastructure, grid technology, I have employees working on Tesla solar charging stations on the east coast. That is just Tesla.

There are many companies building solar fields across the USA. I have employees and customers that have completed massive solar projects, for example, one in Maryland. This field powers an entire town 2500 homes with PV Cells. That project was three years ago.

“Annapolis MD
With 55,000 solar panels, the facility is one of the largest solar projects built on a capped landfill in the country, generating enough energy to power 2,500 homes, city officials said.”

OIL COMPANIES INVESTED IN RENEWABLE ENERGY

Of the six “super-majors” – BP, Shell, Chevron, Total, Eni and Exxon.

Investors in renewable Energy can’t get enough.


Let’s Put The Argument That The JT Couldn't be a straight EV to Bed. Yes it can be a powerful mid size open top, who cares about aerodynamics, daily Driver... even on the trail!

As far as the ability for an all EV mid size truck platform to tow heavy, carry heavy, excel off road and be a daily driver with a Max 400 mile range... is in production set for delivery in a couple of months.

The Rivian pickup
-Weighs under 6000lbs
- tows up to 11,000 lbs
- Payload is 1750 lbs.
- Max range is 400 miles
- recharge to capacity 2 hours
- quick charge to 80% in 30 min

Check this out:

From Road Show

“Further, Rivian is working on its own Adventure Network and Jeep has promised solar chargers in wheeling hotspotslike Moab, Utah, and on the Rubicon Trail”

You can argue the electric grid capacity isn’t available today to carry the needs for all vehicles to be EV. We don’t have all EV vehicles in the road today so that’s not a current issue. In 5-10 years the electrical grid will be able to handle all EVs on the road.

 

[Matt84]

As far as making financial sense this is another one you don’t buy for the mileage IMO, you buy it if you want 375HP and 470lb of instant torque. Same reason you would buy an ecodiesel, except ecodiesel doesn’t have 375 HP and isn’t eligible for a $7500 tax credit.

 

[Oilburner]

That picture does Not make me excited about electricity production - just the Opposite. All I see is more deforestation and non-recyclable future landfill materials. And Everyone will be so excited to see this at the trail-heads:

Rivian is supposed to have their version also so that is 2 that will be cluttering up the environment. There has got to be a better way than this, and you mark my words they will be vandalized within a month of their installation.

And before you start going on & on about windmills, you need to try & sleep within 1/4 mile of one & report back. Those things are Noisy, also landfill material.

Micro-nuclear is the way but people are too afraid.

 

[XJADDICTION]

That picture does Not make me excited about electricity production - just the Opposite. All I see is more deforestation and non-recyclable future landfill materials. And Everyone will be so excited to see this at the trail-heads:

Rivian is supposed to have their version also so that is 2 that will be cluttering up the environment. There has got to be a better way than this, and you mark my words they will be vandalized within a month of their installation.

And before you start going on & on about windmills, you need to try & sleep within 1/4 mile of one & report back. Those things are Noisy, also landfill material.

Micro-nuclear is the way but people are too afraid.

I agree with windmill use for power, inefficient, ugly and they can’t recycle the old props.

That Annapolis solar field is in a field that is a capped landfill that can’t be used for anything else.

PV Cells and new Tech Batteries will be 90+ % recyclable.

Nuclear power waste is about 90% recyclable.

 

[BAT]

The 4xe is just a test of the platform... YES, is it to interest the Greenies in a purchase they normally would not make... YES
Is it an option for the techies that love new technology... ahhh, Maybe but it’s really not that techy... yet. Is it for the commuter that has a less than 50 mile drive into work can charge while at work and drive back home on a charge using no fuel... YES. (My commute is 34 miles each way, so it could work, but I need a truck and a road dog for long adventure trips).

Is the 4XE the end game for Jeep/Fiat... NO. This is a test platform and all major manufacturers have a test platform or the real deal. The tech to replace the internal combustion engine is 5-10 years away.

I was passed by 3 Tesla’s yesterday all in the HOV lane single passenger because they are allowed with low emissions vehicle. I was driving 75mph, they were easily running 80mph.

Tesla reaches the million cars sold benchmark in 2020. Tesla, Elon Musk , is heavily invested in infrastructure, grid technology, I have employees working on Tesla solar charging stations on the east coast. That is just Tesla.

There are many companies building solar fields across the USA. I have employees and customers that have completed massive solar projects, for example, one in Maryland. This field powers an entire town 2500 homes with PV Cells. That project was three years ago.

“Annapolis MD
With 55,000 solar panels, the facility is one of the largest solar projects built on a capped landfill in the country, generating enough energy to power 2,500 homes, city officials said.”

OIL COMPANIES INVESTED IN RENEWABLE ENERGY

Of the six “super-majors” – BP, Shell, Chevron, Total, Eni and Exxon.

Investors in renewable Energy can’t get enough.


Let’s Put The Argument That The JT Couldn't be a straight EV to Bed. Yes it can be a powerful mid size open top, who cares about aerodynamics, daily Driver... even on the trail!

As far as the ability for an all EV mid size truck platform to tow heavy, carry heavy, excel off road and be a daily driver with a Max 400 mile range... is in production set for delivery in a couple of months.

The Rivian pickup
-Weighs under 6000lbs
- tows up to 11,000 lbs
- Payload is 1750 lbs.
- Max range is 400 miles
- recharge to capacity 2 hours
- quick charge to 80% in 30 min

Check this out:

From Road Show

“Further, Rivian is working on its own Adventure Network and Jeep has promised solar chargers in wheeling hotspotslike Moab, Utah, and on the Rubicon Trail”

You can argue the electric grid capacity isn’t available today to carry the needs for all vehicles to be EV. We don’t have all EV vehicles in the road today so that’s not a current issue. In 5-10 years the electrical grid will be able to handle all EVs on the road.

Believe on average it takes about 35 acres of land with solar panels on it to power 1000 homes. Some tech might not take as much. I just don't see it as anything more than a small option for some areas. Windmills are the Clean Energy dirty little secret. I don't live down in Corpus Christi, TX so can only go by info I get from outdoorsmen, etc that live and work the area but am told its a nightmare on wildlife (Birds). My old coworker had family down there that had land which they got filthy rich from the Wind Farm. Good thing they got loads of money as they had to move cause they were told they would not be able to live any longer where the wind farms where going up. But its big money and companies are going to be lining their pockets with government cash. They will strip mine the earth and fill the landfills and no one will say a word cause its Oil that is the devil (LOL). I can't see Buccee's putting in 150 charging stations although they probably would like it if folks shopped around the store for a couple hours while their cars charged up.

 

[XJADDICTION]

Believe on average it takes about 35 acres of land with solar panels on it to power 1000 homes. Some tech might not take as much. I just don't see it as anything more than a small option for some areas. Windmills are the Clean Energy dirty little secret. I don't live down in Corpus Christi, TX so can only go by info I get from outdoorsmen, etc that live and work the area but am told its a nightmare on wildlife (Birds). My old coworker had family down there that had land which they got filthy rich from the Wind Farm. Good thing they got loads of money as they had to move cause they were told they would not be able to live any longer where the wind farms where going up. But its big money and companies are going to be lining their pockets with government cash. They will strip mine the earth and fill the landfills and no one will say a word cause its Oil that is the devil (LOL). I can't see Buccee's putting in 150 charging stations although they probably would like it if folks shopped around the store for a couple hours while their cars charged up.

I’m seeing a bunch of PV Cell installs on roof top commercial buildings in cities, manufacturing buildings and storage facilities. It is not all just ground installations.

So, there are two sides to this story for our grid capability.

1- renewable electrical supply to the grid
2- reduction in consumption through the likes of geo thermal and LED for example.

Rooftop solar example

From Blue Oak Energy

“Golden 1 Center is a multi-purpose indoor arena and the home of the Sacramento Kings professional NBA basketball team. This 708kW rooftop solar electric system was installed during the arena's original construction in 2016. This solar facility reduces the building's electrical energy import from the SMUD utility grid”

So buildings like these reduce or no longer need energy from the utilities grid. They can also input excess into the utilities grid. This is good example of conservation of available utility grid energy. They can use this excess to supply increased power demands for say... EVs

AND, solar PVCells and install costs are costing much less while petro/chemical costs are increasing.

Supply and demand

 

[WXman]

This is golden and I would so do this. Giving certain people discounts based upon what they choose to drive is equivalent to vehicular racism.

 

[BAT]

I’m seeing a bunch of PV Cell installs on roof top commercial buildings in cities, manufacturing buildings and storage facilities. It is not all just ground installations.

So, there are two sides to this story for our grid capability.

1- renewable electrical supply to the grid
2- reduction in consumption through the likes of geo thermal and LED for example.

Rooftop solar example

From Blue Oak Energy

“Golden 1 Center is a multi-purpose indoor arena and the home of the Sacramento Kings professional NBA basketball team. This 708kW rooftop solar electric system was installed during the arena's original construction in 2016. This solar facility reduces the building's electrical energy import from the SMUD utility grid”

So buildings like these reduce or no longer need energy from the utilities grid. They can also input excess into the utilities grid. This is good example of conservation of available utility grid energy. They can use this excess to supply increased power demands for say... EVs

AND, solar PVCells and install costs are costing much less while petro/chemical costs are increasing.

Supply and demand

Yea I think as technology comes along it will improve but I still don't ever see it more than an additional option unless folks change their power consumption ways which seem to grow more and more. I would definitely consider adding it to my house as another source if I was building a new home. Perhaps that is the more practical route for solar is the individual powering of homes and certain things rather than trying to power up entire cities

 

[XJADDICTION]

Yea I think as technology comes along it will improve but I still don't ever see it more than an additional option unless folks change their power consumption ways which seem to grow more and more. I would definitely consider adding it to my house as another source if I was building a new home. Perhaps that is the more practical route for solar is the individual powering of homes and certain things rather than trying to power up entire cities

Commercial businesses like hotels office buildings Industrial facilities, steel plants (they use a lot of power solar would supply enough for lights and controls) auto manufacturing facilities, the amazons the FedEx’s, USPS, the UPS’s, autozone warehouse, city courthouses... what I am saying is these buildings are being fitted and or will be using solar power in very near future. So for these buildings (in most every city) will require less from the power grid, most or all power will be supplied by sola, some solar arrays will put excess energy back into the grid.

Residential, you are correct, that will also decrease demand from the grid and will also add some energy back into it.

A lot of residential developments are using solar field “farms” to supply electricity to the houses. Like the job we had in Annapolis that supplies power to 2500 homes.

My company has been involved in many commercial and industrial LED refits from sodium vapor lighting etc. they use a lot of energy so just taking a 500,000 + sq ft facility from high energy demand lights, HVAC controls and automation to LED and low voltage saves these companies a lot of money. The side benifit is they decrease demand on the electrical grid.

My point is this is being done now (over last 5+ years).

 

[Tuggernuts]

Pretty interesting build.

 

[XJADDICTION]

Look, a lift for the 4XE

 

[XJADDICTION]

The Canadian Epic Adventure Wrangler Lifted Rubicon 4XE!

375 HP 470ftlbs

Weighs 570 lbs more than wrangler Rubicon

Lift wheels and tires

HIGH PERFORMANCE SUSPENSION
Teraflex 2.5" *Custom Assembled* Suspension System
Falcon 2.1 Shocks
Custom Front Drive Shaft

WHEELS AND TIRES
17x9 Fuel Kicker Wheels in Anthracite *Custom Painted*
35x12.50R17 NItto EXO Grappler Tires
OEM TPM Sensors

 

[XJADDICTION]

Just a quick update on battery tech.

The Solid state battery (sodium glass battery) will be here in 3-5 years.

In the meantime Tesla has kept secret until recently their switch to the 4680 Panasonic battery platform in 15-24 months... or less time (as early as Q4 2021) as Tesla likes to put tech into their production cars before announcing the new changes. This will equate to less use of Cobalt and a tab-less Battery construction that causes lower thermal heat transfer, longer range, lighter weight and faster charging.

Elon Musk said they will use this latest battery tech from Panasonic until the solid state Batteries are deliverable on a large scale (probably in 3-5 years, when that happens everything changes for the EV’s)



Tesla Adding 4680 Batteries To Its Model Y EV Crossover

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Submitted by Dean McManis on February 15, 2021 - 10:18pm



“As far as being able to tell whether or not Tesla decides to "sneak" the 4680 batteries into earlier U.S. models, it is possible. But I do suspect that either the vehicle's weight will be lower due to fewer 4680 batteries needed for the same range and power, or the range capability will rise noticeably as is shown with the predicted 520+ mile range of the upcoming Model S Plaid+, the Plaid Cybertruck, and the 2022 Roadster. Tesla does have a history of silently integrating new improvements into currently shipping models without announcing them.”

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