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[Zachanadandy]

But you are talking much farther distances and larger speed differences than we're being figured back then. Hours are a totally different thing.

I get that, and obviously driving 5 mph faster on a 10 minute trip isn't saving much...on that trip. But even still looking at an entire year where the average person drives ~15k miles. Say you average 45mph across that years use, you're driving for 333 hours. Increase that average speed to just 50mph and you save 33hrs per year. I'd hardly call that laughable. Saving a few minutes on every drive you make will quickly add up. On the microcosm of 1 short trip 5mph seems like nothing. Over the year it's significant.

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[ShadowsPapa]

I get that, and obviously driving 5 mph faster on a 10 minute trip isn't saving much...on that trip. But even still looking at an entire year where the average person drives ~15k miles. Say you average 45mph across that years use, you're driving for 333 hours. Increase that average speed to just 50mph and you save 33hrs per year. I'd hardly call that laughable. Saving a few minutes on every drive you make will quickly add up. On the microcosm of 1 short trip 5mph seems like nothing. Over the year it's significant.

Yeah, I don't think we're that far apart - but most aren't thinking the big picture like you are/do. They are thinking about the here, the now. This trip - not over even a month.

 

[Gvsukids]

I get that, and obviously driving 5 mph faster on a 10 minute trip isn't saving much...on that trip. But even still looking at an entire year where the average person drives ~15k miles. Say you average 45mph across that years use, you're driving for 333 hours. Increase that average speed to just 50mph and you save 33hrs per year. I'd hardly call that laughable. Saving a few minutes on every drive you make will quickly add up. On the microcosm of 1 short trip 5mph seems like nothing. Over the year it's significant.

Yeah, I don't think we're that far apart - but most aren't thinking the big picture like you are/do. They are thinking about the here, the now. This trip - not over even a month.

Now do we factor in extra fuel spent and how much more time spent at the fuel pump? Does that reduce the total time saved by enough to outweigh the costs?

 

[Zachanadandy]

Now do we factor in extra fuel spent and how much more time spent at the fuel pump? Does that reduce the total time saved by enough to outweigh the costs?

The difference between 70 and 85 is about 1 mpg. I doubt that 20 miles less range is going to add up to much "extra time" at the pump. Definitely not enough to negate the time saved traveling an extra 15mph. I'll see/pass the same vehicles traveling below the speed limit within 50 miles of a fuel stop and they are still going to have to stop too. If you could get double the fuel economy driving slower it might add up, but that's just not the case.

 

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[chorky]

Everything has gone up in price, groceries, restaurants, clothing, insurance, housing, interest rates and vehicles.

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[chorky]

I get that, and obviously driving 5 mph faster on a 10 minute trip isn't saving much...on that trip. But even still looking at an entire year where the average person drives ~15k miles. Say you average 45mph across that years use, you're driving for 333 hours. Increase that average speed to just 50mph and you save 33hrs per year. I'd hardly call that laughable. Saving a few minutes on every drive you make will quickly add up. On the microcosm of 1 short trip 5mph seems like nothing. Over the year it's significant.

re that far apart - but most aren't thinking the big picture like you are/do. They are thinking about the here, the now. This trip - not ov

Saving time doesn't matter one bit when driving excessive speed is the cause for wrecks and deaths. Last year there was 10 fatalities within 20 miles of my town. They want to claim 'icy roads' as the cause. We all know the real cause is idiots driving way too fast for conditions. Just because the DOT uses rock salt and deicer isn't an excuse to think you can drive 95. I see it. Every single day. Its terrible. Even in the summer. In town daily, literally daily, there area t least 3 or 4 wrecks. Bad ones. Ones people don't walk away from. At least 4 or 5 times a week part of the interstate is partially or fully blocked because of a multi-car wreck and life flight. Yet, speeding still continues. Nobody cares, so reckless driving induced death will continue to trend upward. What's even worse is innocent people dying or loosing their vehicle and or legs because of some selfish high speed driver. I know if I got in a wreck because of some idiot driver at unnecessary speed, I would be too angry for words.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The difference between 70 and 85 is about 1 mpg. I doubt that 20 miles less range is going to add up to much "extra time" at the pump. Definitely not enough to negate the time saved traveling an extra 15mph. I'll see/pass the same vehicles traveling below the speed limit within 50 miles of a fuel stop and they are still going to have to stop too. If you could get double the fuel economy driving slower it might add up, but that's just not the case.

You would have to slow down below 70 by quite a bit. And then, it's maybe 1 extra fuel stop (some trips to FL and back, non-stop, and my wife driving gave examples of that LOL)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Speed limit nationwide was 55 not that long ago. No one drove 55 enforcement became impossible it was common knowledge you'd not get a ticket as long as you were 65 and under. Then they repealed the misguided nationwide speed limits.

The national 55 was repealed in the 90s.
BUT - it was set up in the 1970s in answer to very real threats to national security and our economy.
Did you even live through the 1970s as an adult so you can remember if it was the day for you to be able to buy gas? Remember how long you waited in line - then got 4 cars back from the pump and sorry, out of gas............... and no more coming for a while....
Misguided? No, not at all.
Hated and loathed? Yeah, you bet it was.
Imagine being a guy (or gal) who made their LIVING driving! Some got paid by the load, some by the mile, and for an OTR driver to suddenly have to make it from NY to NE - imagine the hours difference (I know a guy here in the forum who would figure that for you )
So it was hated, bigly, and when people hate something then it's called misguided, stupid, not helpful, not necessary, and any list of words you might think of.

I can't forget the gas station lines for blocks - then that station ran out of gas, don't forget the "you can buy gas only on odd numbered days if your license plate has an odd number or xx letter", the ratioing? The "you can only buy xx gallons at a time" or "no filling unless your tank is under 1/2"
I remember it well. Some places had NO gasoline, some had to ration it. You might be in a line for almost an hour, even longer, in some places.
The USA oil output was dropping to a low point, OPEC came in and say "we are not going to sell you ANY oil" and we were stuck on only what we could get from non-OPEC nations, or our own reserves and resources. Prices shot up but worse than that - there wasn't any gas.
Imagine being a farmer needing fuel to haul grain, or even the gas tractors working the fields and how the prices shot up.
How about owner/operator buying their own fuel, and finding their pay has been cut because they can't make the same trips in a week they used to.
It's a fact that once you hit 60 mph, MPG drops like a rock. Science, universities and yes, congress did studies that showed how much would be saved by a then typical car on US roads, and similar for SUVs and so on. (it was also considered that most people would drive over the limit and that would make them feel good, so 55 meant that even if they went 60, there'd be big savings)
I believe it was figured at one point it saved over 150,000 barrels of oil PER DAY. I recall it was way over 100,000 barrels, and that made a difference.

Now - did I like it? @#$& no! This ADHD teen/young adult in the 70s racked up so many speeding tickets one of the troopers knew me by name when he walked up to my car. The magistrate "what is it this time"? I hated it more than you might imagine because I'm that sort that struggles with limits. I was REALLY BAD back then, I mean REALLY bad. I should have been killed more than once. Luckily - there are things and ways I can sort of help control that and I've learned a lot - especially working years in a shop along I35/I80 intersection where we did 24/7/365 towing for the IHP and local police and the things I saw - you can never ever unsee - and it helped a lot seeing things only EMTs or military persons might see. Sometimes cleanup of a vehicle isn't that great before it gets towed in.
(And maybe, it's a reason to drive a Jeep - I mean, how fast ya gonna really go in one of these?)

So don't think I'm defending it for the wrong reasons or that I liked it at all. No way did I like it.
But I understood it, the principals behind it.

but none of that even matters because we're all screwed now that our Jeep values are in the toilet.

 

[Great Offender]

Anyone ever heard of the 85th percentile?

Interesting. learn something new everyday.

Am I really the only person who looked? It seems that grade school math has taken over this thread.
"If a train leaves station A traveling at 70 mph heading to Pheonix , but leaves 5 minutes early, how long ..."

Wait, what was the topic again? Screwed? My "toy" is going to lose value? At my age I'll either trade it in for another one or be buried in this one!

 

[OVERLORD]

Interesting. learn something new everyday.

Am I really the only person who looked? It seems that grade school math has taken over this thread.
"If a train leaves station A traveling at 70 mph heading to Pheonix , but leaves 5 minutes early, how long ..."

Wait, what was the topic again? Screwed? My "toy" is going to lose value? At my age I'll either trade it in for another one or be buried in this one!

Too, now knowing what the 85th percentile is, you know what the two rubber hoses that cross roads in the summertime are.

85th percentile study.

Worse, some municipalities take the info, collate it, and reduce that mile per hour by their selected percentage, to increase speeding ticket revenue.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Too, now knowing what the 85th percentile is, you know what the two rubber hoses that cross roads in the summertime are.

85th percentile study.

Worse, some municipalities take the info, collate it, and reduce that mile per hour by their selected percentage, to increase speeding ticket revenue.

I thought it was hilarious a few years back, our main road into the metro area (winding, hilly, near the river, a whole lot of deer and critter crossing and a lot of homes in the area) the speed limit was 45. I thought reasonable for the winding hilly areas where trees were right up to the edge of the road in places and deer could come up out of the valleys and people coming onto the road while traffic approaches that they can't see because of the hills and curves and all.
All of a sudden after one of those studies, we found the speed limit signs at 35! A full 10 mph decrease. You gotta be kidding? It's how people from Monroe, Runnells and some other areas get to work in Des Moines! oh, boy, that's going to go over like a lead balloon.
that lasted a couple of weeks. No one paid any attention to it.
Then suddenly the signs were changed up to 40. Better, but still slow for all those miles on that part of the road. You DO find quite a few actually driving 40, sticking really close. Maybe up and down a bit, but I'd say they average 40 while the majority still go 45, and then there's the other end at 50-55 (and I love to watch them slam on the brakes and do a bit of a slide after they whiz past us, pull back in and then a deer pops out ahead of them.)
So their study was flawed or something. It's really not bad at all at 45, I have no idea why they changed it in the first place.
Then as the road gets closer to the river, and there's a couple of steeper hills and the trees are denser and right up to the road - Pleasant Hill has their section of that road at ..........45.
Funny to see the county drop it so dramatically to 35 while PH kept 45 the whole time, then the county relents and goes up to 40 - PH still at 45 down by the river. (and there's a goofy RR crossing there as well)

 

[BLK HOLE]

Not sure what I missed...can I get CNs?

But...I agree with the politics thing. Politics are mainly for idiots and this place is a Jeep site, not a site for idiots. But I also don't care what admin says either lol.

 

[JTGuy]

Things change, always. If you are not changing you are probably on the other side of the grass or blowing in the wind.

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