Rival News: Next-Gen 2024 Tacoma to Offer Turbo 4cyl or Hybrid Engine Only. No More V6

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I just saw a TFL video where Toyota has announced a new Tacoma for 2024. It will only offer a 2.4L 4 cyl turbo or hybrid. No more V6. YT vid here:

https://www.tacoma4g.com/forum/thre...-tacoma-will-get-2-4l-hybrid-max-engine.1234/

So Colorado/Canyon = only 2.7L 4 cyl.
Ranger = only 2.3L 4 cyl.

Can't help but wonder where that will leave the Gladiator?
Two power options for 3.0L straight 6 twin turbo would (literally) leave the competition in the dust, too good to be true?

And say goodbye to the second to last manual truck. I understand why automatics are popular in the "cars are conveyance, nothing more" segment. But for the life of me I can't figure out how gearheads are preferring automatics.

Rahkmalla said:

And say goodbye to the second to last manual truck. I understand why automatics are popular in the "cars are conveyance, nothing more" segment. But for the life of me I can't figure out how gearheads are preferring automatics.

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I had a stick 2006 Mazda3 for the longest time and absolutely loved it, so much so that I thought I absolutely needed one for the JT. After test driving one, I was severely disheartened. Its not that I had any difficulty shifting or anything, it just wasn't nearly as fun to row through the gears. If I ever got a wrangler (TJ preferred) I'll absolutely get a manual in it, but I just couldn't see myself living with one in the gladiator.

On top of that, the auto trans in the gladiator is pretty fantastic, and if I was buying a truck the difference in towing #'s for the auto equipped Max Tow over the manual was massive, so that helped ease my decision a bit. The deck was just too stacked in the auto's favor for the gladiator for me to not choose it.

Rahkmalla said:

And say goodbye to the second to last manual truck. I understand why automatics are popular in the "cars are conveyance, nothing more" segment. But for the life of me I can't figure out how gearheads are preferring automatics.

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I love driving manuals, but the manual in the JT and JL just isn’t geared right for the application I didn’t feel when doing my test drives. If it were, I’d have one. Autos are just becoming better tech, no stopping the future.

Now regarding the taco, will it actually come with modern brakes or are drum brakes all Toyota’s bean counters will allow?

Jefe1018 said:

I love driving manuals, but the manual in the JT and JL just isn’t geared right for the application I didn’t feel when doing my test drives. If it were, I’d have one. Autos are just becoming better tech, no stopping the future.

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Sure, but gas engines and diesels are kind of on the way out too, so this era is kind of the last hurrah for the MT and for internal combustion as well. I'm enjoying it while I can. My next purchase will be at least hybridized, I'm sure. I'm glad the Jeep and the Bronco still have the option, at least for now. The gearing is ok on the stock tires. It's not any worse than I'd expect nowadays. It's the only way to hit the mpg targets. I worry less about the gearing than with the quality of the clutch they chose (so far so good for me though).

The gearing gets me where I want to go, and I was perfectly fine with it on the stock tires. Now that I've up sized, I'm entertaining regearing, but in all reality, I probably won't. It costs way more than it's worth for me at this point with a little one in daycare. Besides, I've been on 35s now longer than I was ever on 33s, so I'm used to it.

Regarding the Taco, I'm not at all surprised that turbo 4 and hybrid are the only options. It's really all that's needed on a truck that size.

Auto in my JT
Manual in my TJ

Both just feel “right”

Jefe1018 said:

I love driving manuals, but the manual in the JT and JL just isn’t geared right for the application I didn’t feel when doing my test drives. If it were, I’d have one. Autos are just becoming better tech, no stopping the future.

Now regarding the taco, will it actually come with modern brakes or are drum brakes all Toyota’s bean counters will allow?

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Autos are already better tech.

Torque converter Mustang GTs already smoke manuals with a pro driver.

DCT? Goodbye. Far superior.

These aren't the slushboxes of yesterday. There's a reason the 2023 Z06 only offers a DCT. It wasn't cost cutting. It was pure performance.

Oilburner said:

I just saw a TFL video where Toyota has announced a new Tacoma for 2024. It will only offer a 2.4L 4 cyl turbo or hybrid. No more V6. YT vid here:

https://www.tacoma4g.com/forum/thre...-tacoma-will-get-2-4l-hybrid-max-engine.1234/

So Colorado/Canyon = only 2.7L 4 cyl.
Ranger = only 2.3L 4 cyl.

Can't help but wonder where that will leave the Gladiator?
Two power options for 3.0L straight 6 twin turbo would (literally) leave the competition in the dust, too good to be true?

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This'll end up in
https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/forums/general-automotive-other-vehicles-discussions.6/

ecidiego said:

Autos are already better tech.

Torque converter Mustang GTs already smoke manuals with a pro driver.

DCT? Goodbye. Far superior.

These aren't the slushboxes of yesterday. There's a reason the 2023 Z06 only offers a DCT. It wasn't cost cutting. It was pure performance.

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Practically speaking, DCTs are automatic-like, but they have a manual feel to them (technically they are automated manuals). Once I can't get a manual in a jeep, I hope they offer a DCT.

But back to the thread. Tacomas. I4 and hybrid only, no V6 . Perfectly fine for the application.

And it is still a Tacoma…

If you every get a chance to drive a car with a sequential transmission. DO IT. I had the opportunity to do a session at the track with a track prepped 800 HP Viper with a sequential transmission and flat foot shifting 2 years ago. You start out with the clutch. To up shift, just keep your foot flat on the floor and pull straight back on the shifter. To down shift. Just push forward on the shifter for each down shift. The throttle will auto blip for each gear. At first, I thought the car wanted to kill me. Once I got the hang of it. I cut my best lap times ever. If you're not driving that car at 100%. It WANTS to kill you. But it was sooooo much fun.

With the weight reduction I think it'll be as good or better than the 3.6 Pentastar in performance.
It's amazing how much horsepower they're getting from smaller engines these days.

Rahkmalla said:

And say goodbye to the second to last manual truck. I understand why automatics are popular in the "cars are conveyance, nothing more" segment. But for the life of me I can't figure out how gearheads are preferring automatics.

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The gladiator is the first automatic vehicle I've ever owned. The 6 speed and clutch in the JL/JT didn't impress me at all, and the 8 speed is very, very good. The pentastar is already a dated engine so I didn't want to pay tomorrow's prices for 2012 tech. And, I don't regret it at all. The JT is just a bad platform for a stick. Maybe with Ford's crawler gear it would've tickled my fancy, but meh.

I sometimes think I may go crazy and trade down to a Tacoma TRD PRO with the manual transmission…. But the timing may not allow for it to happen, with the high interest I would end up paying $150 more monthly for the same amount of payments on a truck that is 12k less on the MSRP in Canada.

I don’t forecast great things for the next gen if it is to be a mini Tundra..

I think its likely that Jeep will keep the 3.6 and add the 4Xe to the Gladiator lineup. I'm not sure they will add the hurricane to the engine line up. I also wouldnt be surprised if they drop the Eco Diesel as well when the 4Xe launches.

The auto trans in the early 3.8 JK (4 Speed 42RLE) was so bad that I ended up with two 6 speed manual JK's and loved them both! Back then it was a huge improvement over that slush box. Once the W5A580 5speed was added along with the Pentastar the whole experience changed. Yes the 6 speed still had more gear options, but man that was a good automatic.

The Aisin AL6 wasn't a huge upgrade from the NSG370, yet the new 8 speed autos in the JT & JL are light years ahead of what they replaced. The manual trans experience has stayed the same over the last 20 years while the auto trans experience has developed 10 fold and completely changed the drivability of the entire platform.

I loved off roading in the manual, especially rock crawling, I had full control, on or off, the auto took some getting used too. I still prefer the manual on the trail, but the auto shines to me every single other place.