Jeep cancels all 4xe Hybrid models!

[WestwallNF104A]

I think the best idea was the Ramcharger concept.
An electric vehicle with an onboard gas generator.
600+ mile range. I would have taken that all day, plus all the benefits you just mentioned.
AND give it the reverse option like the F-150 where the truck can be used as a generator.
If they did that, I don't think they could keep them on the lots.
Think about it, all the people that overland.
You have a vehicle with insane range and then you could extend it even more with some external gas cans attached to Molle Panels.
You would have a truck that could act as a generator to power your camping equipment.
AND then someone would create an after-market portable solar panel that would plug into the Jeep to charge the battery adding even more range.
With that setup you could go out for over a week and not need fuel or come back to civilization.
It would be an overlander's dream machine.

I already have close to that. I have a Long Range America auxiliary tank so my effective range one way is 640 miles. I have 345 watts of solar installed, so I am good for about two weeks off grid without adding Jerry cans.

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[Y-Guy]

...The PHEV was a hot seller for a reason...

Nah, the #1 reason - Rebates
Take away the rebates and make people pay the actual cost, and it's no longer popular.

 

[T-Rock]

I think this is a little bit of a bummer.

The people who go out and off road Jeeps are a small percentage of owners... and the ones who don't still spend money on modifications and continue to support the Wrangler and Gladiator aftermarket efforts and factory sales numbers. This drives demand to not only keep the Wrangler and Gladiator around, but it also helps the folks who offroad continue to receive innovative updates to their offroad experiences.

The PHEV was a hot seller for a reason- Some people like the idea of owning a Jeep that they put a few thousands miles a year on (or daily drive) with the option to only have to fill the gas tank a fraction of the times they would have to fill it if it were internal combustion only.

They are more than likely never going to do a full EV Wrangler, so I think this is a pretty big blow to a lot of potential owners.

I agree with you that the vast majority of Jeep and Wrangler owners are not off-roading. It is a good thing for the rest of us who do use as intended.

The Jeep Recon is the full EV, and I believe Jeep stated a year or so ago that it would be their full EV rather than the Wrangler. But in today's climate and with these recent changes who knows, maybe they will make an EV Wrangler in the near future.

 

[T-Rock]

I love the idea of the Range Extending EV, it is what Jeep SHOULD have come out with in the first place. SCOUT introduced the idea a few years ago and I think others took notice. Sad for Scout in that they announced it while building a production facility and now others are going to hit the market before them. IF the battery technology, warranty, and disposal options are worked out and offered to us in a way that makes us comfortable owning one without worry of losing our home or getting hit with tens of thousands of dollars in battery replacement costs... THEN I would by an EREV or something like the Recon. Until then I am all fuel driven!

I think the best idea was the Ramcharger concept.
An electric vehicle with an onboard gas generator.
600+ mile range. I would have taken that all day, plus all the benefits you just mentioned.
AND give it the reverse option like the F-150 where the truck can be used as a generator.
If they did that, I don't think they could keep them on the lots.
Think about it, all the people that overland.
You have a vehicle with insane range and then you could extend it even more with some external gas cans attached to Molle Panels.
You would have a truck that could act as a generator to power your camping equipment.
AND then someone would create an after-market portable solar panel that would plug into the Jeep to charge the battery adding even more range.
With that setup you could go out for over a week and not need fuel or come back to civilization.
It would be an overlander's dream machine.

I love the idea of the Range Extending EV, it is what Jeep SHOULD have come out with in the first place.
SCOUT introduced the idea a few years ago and I think others took notice. Sad for Scout in that they announced it while building a production facility and now others are going to hit the market before them.
IF the battery technology, warranty, and disposal options are worked out and offered to us in a way that makes us comfortable owning one without worry of losing our home or getting hit with tens of thousands of dollars in battery replacement costs... THEN I would buy an EREV. Until then I am all fuel driven!
The Long Range America option and onboard solar & battery option does the above but is a lot of additional mods (which can be fun) that wouldn't be needed in the scenario you outline. It would be a great jumpstart for many Jeepers.

 

[D_JT]

Nah, the #1 reason - Rebates
Take away the rebates and make people pay the actual cost, and it's no longer popular.

Fact. And you can see it too. Once the rebate was taken away. EV/hybrid sales dropped.

 

[Gvsukids]

bricked functioning devices

Like Apple does?

Remember "cash 4 clunkers"

That's the way.

 

[Dilly’S Willy]

Like Apple does?

Except they don't brick them anymore, just slows down/reduces battery capacity, and ONLY if you update them past 2-3 years from the iOS that came on them.

I just use Beta software on all mine. My 13Pro still has iOS 18.5 Beta and I don't have any issues, none that I don't expect from a beta (pause doesn't always pause, occasional notification glitches, but nothing a power off/on doesn't fix) and the Public iOS hasn't fixed issues since they appeared in iOS 12 so what incentive do I have to keep it up to date (never had an apple device/account hacked in over a decade).

Updates are the enemy. Unless you have shit methods of security/encryption, they're useless 99% of the time. Same reason I have a PC with Win7Pro, another with Win10Pro, and a Mac with Mojave still, updates lock out features including hardware that never has issues prior. If you want new things, buy the new things. Legacy devices exist for a reason, not everything SHOULD be upgraded.

 

[Breadman]

Yeah, I do not understand that. Why bring back a bigger engine that produces less power and performance than the Hurricane Inline 6 engine that is in the Ram now. Why not retune the Hemi and make it more powerful. At this point I do not know why anyone would opt for the Hemi. AND before you say because it sounds awesome, which it does, you can add and exhaust system that would make the Hurricane sound insane.

Because the people who are buying these, and the people they are trying to impress, are not educated enough to make sense of any of that. Anything past "8" is lost on them.

You think Colton and Jace down in the holler gonna get all hot and bothered by a V6? That dog don't hunt.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

Because the people who are buying these, and the people they are trying to impress, are not educated enough to make sense of any of that. Anything past "8" is lost on them.

You think Colton and Jace down in the holler gonna get all hot and bothered by a V6? That dog don't hunt.

Attacking the intellect of those you disagree with is not the basis of a good discussion.

 

[Breadman]

It takes a special type of tard to cebrate the failure of a drivetrain they have been brainwashed to despise while being too dense to realize they’re just insulting their own ride. This is not a victory for any "side" or evidence of your pet conspiracies, rather it's a confession that the engineers who built that heap in your driveway are incompetent hacks.

The reality is that PHEVs are everywhere. Jeep’s failure isn’t an issue with the tech, it’s evidence of the incompetence of the brand these people have made their entire personality. They may consider themselves "old school" but in Jeep’s eyes they are nothing more than useful idiots.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

It takes a special type of tard to cebrate the failure of a drivetrain they have been brainwashed to despise while being too dense to realize they’re just insulting their own ride. This is not a victory for any "side" or evidence of your pet conspiracies, rather it's a confession that the engineers who built that heap in your driveway are incompetent hacks.

The reality is that PHEVs are everywhere. Jeep’s failure isn’t an issue with the tech, it’s evidence of the incompetence of the brand these people have made their entire personality. They may consider themselves "old school" but in Jeep’s eyes they are nothing more than useful idiots.

The reality is EV's and hybrids only sell to the common man because of the tax breaks. Heck, even the well heeled love them their tax breaks.

Which brings me to this observation, if the only reason why a particular vehicle sells is because the government mandates it's sale, and punishes it's competition, maybe that vehicle isn't all that great.

I personally love hybrid vehicles. F1 has used the technology to do some amazing things. However, they have enormous budgets, so can afford the very best tech.

I can't. So I have to make do with what my budget allows. My budget can afford one offroad vehicle, and one business vehicle. That vehicle must be able to cover 1000 miles in a day. And carry a lot of stuff.

Hybrids don't have the payload I need to conduct my business. I wish they did, but they don't.

So the vehicles available for us to buy are not the best out there, because the best cost a hell of a lot of money.

So I disagree with your assessment, the engineers do the best they can with the parameters that they are given.

Do they make mistakes? Sure. Everyone does. But year after year they produce vehicles that the average Joe can afford.

That's not stupid. That's reality.

 

[wuykats]

The idea of an onboard generator charging batteries is not new. The railroad industry has used this concept for decades, sans the batteries. It makes some sense to design a small engine that can operate at a constant speed at its optimal torque and fuel consumption/emission level that would charge a battery of an EV. Plug in compatiability would make sense too. Perhaps the design would be one with 100 mile range before the engine kicked in, with regenerative braking, something like a 50 to 60 hp engine should be enough, to sustain long trips. I am probably off on the numbers, but the concept should work. Lighter engine, lighter battery, no transmission (traction motors used in axle assemblies) Traction motors would mean more unsprung weight, so we would probably be looking at independent suspension instead of the venerable solid axles. Just random thoughts late at nite.

 

[AmosMoses]

If Jeep had developed an EV or hybrid with characteristics that surpassed the ICE version, we wouldnt be having this conversation. If the development of these new powertrains happened organically it wouldnt be such a hot button topic. This is not a conspiracy its critical thinking.

With solid state batteries coming to market we could finally get a truly superior driving experience in every category of driving but it needs to happen on the basis of customer demand and without the influence of legislation pushed by people that belong to a cult. This is common sense.

 

[WILDHOBO]

The idea of an onboard generator charging batteries is not new. The railroad industry has used this concept for decades, sans the batteries. It makes some sense to design a small engine that can operate at a constant speed at its optimal torque and fuel consumption/emission level that would charge a battery of an EV. Plug in compatiability would make sense too. Perhaps the design would be one with 100 mile range before the engine kicked in, with regenerative braking, something like a 50 to 60 hp engine should be enough, to sustain long trips. I am probably off on the numbers, but the concept should work. Lighter engine, lighter battery, no transmission (traction motors used in axle assemblies) Traction motors would mean more unsprung weight, so we would probably be looking at independent suspension instead of the venerable solid axles. Just random thoughts late at nite.

You just described the generation 1 Chevy Volt from 2011. Minus the range as those had a pure electric range of about 42 miles, depending on driving style and other factors. I had two of them, a 13 and a 15. Zero problems with either of them and had a lifetime mpg of over 100 after 50k miles. It’s about time they went back to that system. Until batteries can provide 500 miles with a 15min charge, cost effectively, this is the best way to get normal drivers into near zero emissions vehicles. They’re not expensive either. Both cars were purchased for less than 30k, before tax credits.

 

[Breadman]

The reality is EV's and hybrids only sell to the common man because of the tax breaks. Heck, even the well heeled love them their tax breaks.

Which brings me to this observation, if the only reason why a particular vehicle sells is because the government mandates it's sale, and punishes it's competition, maybe that vehicle isn't all that great.


I personally love hybrid vehicles.

Hybrids don't have the payload I need to conduct my business. I wish they did, but they don't.

You say yourself that you "love hybrid vehicles" and you "wish" they met your needs and presumably you would have one if they did. Seems odd that you haven't considered that in spite of the conspiracies you may have seen online, EVs actually do meet many people's needs and that's the reason they buy them.

Can you think of (or find) any taxpayer-funded government actions or corporate welfare that, in your words, "punishes" EVs and subsidizes non-EVs by affecting either the initial or operating costs of non-EVs? Looking at it conversely, you (not I) could just as easily say that the only reason people are buying non-EVs is the government bailout of the auto makers and its financial and military support of the oil industry. Where do you think the money for that comes from?

And how does that make you feel emotionally vs. seeing on facebook that some people got a $7500 tax credit?

I can't. So I have to make do with what my budget allows. My budget can afford one offroad vehicle, and one business vehicle. That vehicle must be able to cover 1000 miles in a day. And carry a lot of stuff.

Hmm... when the government allows businesses to deduct 100% of the purchase price of vehicles above 6,000 lbs, are they mandating that businesses buy these large vehicles and are they unfairly "punishing" the sub-6,000 lb competition like smaller, more efficient cars that aren't eligible for a total deduction?

Did you take advantage of this handout?

So I disagree with your assessment, the engineers do the best they can with the parameters that they are given.

Do they make mistakes? Sure. Everyone does. But year after year they produce vehicles that the average Joe can afford.

The reality is that they failed. And you might be the only person here who feels that Jeeps are affordable for the average Joe these days! Unless maybe you're talking about a Compass.

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