Flush Mount Tail Lights

[AXISJT]

As a former tech myself, and as one who still does auto restorations, working with plastic tail lights, marker lights, even aluminum parts - I HATE YT videos that show power tools being used around plastic, or even aluminum parts. The viewer has no idea at all as to the strength of that tool, if it's turned up or down, whatever. It's irresponsible, IMO, to show things done with power drivers. And I'm not referring to them specifically, there are hundreds of videos where someone is showing one way to do something (their way, often there are other ways) and they show a power tool. And sometime it's the 2nd or 3rd time for them so they have it down pat exactly how far to pull that trigger or when to say whoa.
Plastics and similar items - keep the danged power drivers away, especially if it's a "how to". Assume the viewer works out and can use a 1 foot wrench to apply 200 ft/lbs to a bolt. Don't assume they know what they are doing- after-all, they are watching your video for advice! Give them GOOD advice - keep the power tools away from plastic parts, screws or bolts with LOCKTITE on them (like inside the JT doors, for example). Hand tools, and/or explain "do this with great care".
I really cringe when I watch some of those how to vids out there - you have to assume they are watching because they've not done it before and are looking for good, sound advice.

So they used a power driver when showing how to install lights made of plastic........

yup
here's the vid

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[ShadowsPapa]

yup
here's the vid

I have all sorts of power screw drivers, drivers, drills, whatever, more than one person should own (I grabbed all of the drivers and drills my father had after he died, too) but there are times I won't use them. Depend - I may use then for removal, but then not always then either as there are times the screws actually seize in the plastic, or the screws are self locking with a compound applied to keep them from working out. Even if used for removal, I break things loose by hand first so I have a feel for how it's going to go.
I guess doing for over 45 years, having broken a few things myself (bad enough when it's mine, can be a disaster if it belongs to someone else and you can't easily find the part) I guess I just do things differently.
I'm not always the fastest at getting a job done, but as the years go by, I break fewer and fewer things.
After having broken an insulator on the park switch for a rare wiper motor, I have since been taking 30 more seconds to disassemble those parts. I had to pull from my own dwindling stash of parts for my own cars to replace that part for them. 30 seconds could have avoided that.

 

[JP_Oracle]

Hey Everyone,

Just a quick update here on where we are with the fix for the signal out error on LED equipped Jeeps -

After much time, trial & error. We finally have a working solution for this that does not require a programmer. The good news is, we found a way to make this into a simple to install, plug & play adapter!

We have now moved into the production phase for these parts & I will update with an ETA soon.

Thanks for your patience!

 

[MrFahrenheit]

Hey Everyone,

Just a quick update here on where we are with the fix for the signal out error on LED equipped Jeeps -

After much time, trial & error. We finally have a working solution for this that does not require a programmer. The good news is, we found a way to make this into a simple to install, plug & play adapter!

We have now moved into the production phase for these parts & I will update with an ETA soon.

Thanks for your patience!

Interested to see this! I've had my rear tail light diagnostics turned off with JSCAN since I installed these over a year ago now. FWIW, my lights are still working without issue through the desert dust and washboard roads.

 

[just_another_guy]

Looks like Oracle has opened a preorder for bronco tail lights and we're about to watch history repeat itself.

 

[ORACLElights]

They then show a video of their installation prosses using a damn power tool in the video to do it and then blame those to who this has happened to (and where it may not be everyone it is a fair amount ) on overtightening even with hand tools.

Just to address your concern, the "damn power tool" you are referring to is a Snap On cordless Screwdriver so it has an adjustable clutch system to limit the torque delivered to the screw. A hand tool such as a standard socket wrench would deliver substantially more torque than the "damn power tool in the video" you refer to.

As for not wanting to share the "torque specification" of the screws- it a standard M3 screw which a quick google search shows the standard torque spec is 0.60Nm or 0.44ftlbs (5.28 inch-lbs)

 

[sharpsicle]

Just to address your concern, the "damn power tool" you are referring to is a Snap On cordless Screwdriver so it has an adjustable clutch system to limit the torque delivered to the screw. A hand tool such as a standard socket wrench would deliver substantially more torque than the "damn power tool in the video" you refer to.

As for not wanting to share the "torque specification" of the screws- it a standard M3 screw which a quick google search shows the standard torque spec is 0.60Nm or 0.44ftlbs (5.28 inch-lbs)

You do know the Snap On cordless screwdrivers can output 200 in-lb of torque, right? So if you only used 2.5% of the tool's capability, how would anyone know what setting you've changed it to if you don't tell them? Your video showed you using a power tool that can deliver 40x the torque you say it should have and then say "you should've known we only used a tiny bit of that".

You guys need to get a handle on your customer service and social media presence. It doesn't even matter who's right or wrong anymore, your responses are a "damn shame".

 

[ORACLElights]

You do know the Snap On cordless screwdrivers can output 200 in-lb of torque, right? So if you only used 2.5% of the tool's capability, how would anyone know what setting you've changed it to if you don't tell them? Your video showed you using a power tool that can deliver 40x the torque you say it should have and then say "you should've known we only used a tiny bit of that".

You guys need to get a handle on your customer service and social media presence. It doesn't even matter who's right or wrong anymore, your responses are a "damn shame".

Totally understand what you are saying, appreciate the honest feedback.

The video installation verbally says at this step "just sinch these up, don't over torque the screws" and displays a large text label stating "BE CAREFUL NOT TO OVER-TORQUE THE SCREWS"

I am in no way whatsoever trying to argue with you, I am honestly asking what else can we do to make this more clear? Honest question- We are happy to edit the video to help here.

 

[JCstud21]

I have a brand new set of the Oracle flush mounts for sale if anyone is interested. Message me if interested. Will sell for a good price.

 

[JRobes]

As for not wanting to share the "torque specification" of the screws- it a standard M3 screw which a quick google search shows the standard torque spec is 0.60Nm or 0.44ftlbs (5.28 inch-lbs)

By sharing this, are you saying you've worked with your engineering team to verify this is the recommended torque for these screws for your lights? The material you screw into (the plastic of your light housing that strips out/cracks in this case) might be much less than a general recommended torque value for a given hardware size that one would stumble across in a Google search.

@JP_Oracle, care to confirm? I think this is the value some of us would be interested in knowing.

 

[Jefe1018]

Hey Everyone,

Just a quick update here on where we are with the fix for the signal out error on LED equipped Jeeps -

After much time, trial & error. We finally have a working solution for this that does not require a programmer. The good news is, we found a way to make this into a simple to install, plug & play adapter!

We have now moved into the production phase for these parts & I will update with an ETA soon.

Thanks for your patience!

For clarity, will these be made available free of charge for anyone who has purchased in the past and continues to have issues or only on new products going forward?

FWIW, mine have not had any issues. I did leave in the resistors as I came from the non-LED taillight and set the setting to LED reverse lights via JSCAN.

 

[ORACLElights]

For clarity, will these be made available free of charge for anyone who has purchased in the past and continues to have issues or only on new products going forward?

FWIW, mine have not had any issues. I did leave in the resistors as I came from the non-LED taillight and set the setting to LED reverse lights via JSCAN.

Yes! Anyone that purchased will receive this at no cost.

 

[cuellar13]

Totally understand what you are saying, appreciate the honest feedback.

The video installation verbally says at this step "just sinch these up, don't over torque the screws" and displays a large text label stating "BE CAREFUL NOT TO OVER-TORQUE THE SCREWS"

I am in no way whatsoever trying to argue with you, I am honestly asking what else can we do to make this more clear? Honest question- We are happy to edit the video to help here.

To answer your question of "what else can we do to make this more clear?", there is a VERY simple answer: provide a torque spec, just like any reputable auto parts manufacturer does, if torque is a concern. If you've ever turned wrenches as a hobby or professionally, you'd know that any part that has a minimum or maximum torque threshold for performance/failure will have that specifically stated. And if there's a particular sequence that the bolts should be torqued in, that's noted too. Answer your question?

 

[FitfulGoat]

Just chiming in as a still satisfied owner of these. I was part of the batch one group and so far these have been a great addition. Especially whenever I see the stock taillights sitting in a box in the garage ?

 

[garychique]

They don't bother me very much - and I'm sure there will be some decent aftermarket options.

Hi guys, I agree with more slim profiles on tail lights. I bought the Oracle for my Gladiator Rubikon, and it's been an awful experience. I had them replaced once for the same complaint, fast blinking warning light. When I called, they blamed the installer for not knowing how to do the installation (that would be me). So, save yourself the headaches; don't buy Oracle.

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