Rival News: Next-Gen 2024 Tacoma to Offer Turbo 4cyl or Hybrid Engine Only. No More V6

[Bulldog4xfour]

And say goodbye to the second to last manual truck. I understand why automatics are popular in the "cars are conveyance, nothing more" segment. But for the life of me I can't figure out how gearheads are preferring automatics.

My wife’s 4xE is getting a Battery replaced so they gave me a manual Mojave I get to compare to my auto Mojave. I was excited to drive the manual, but after having it for a week the auto is 100 times better. I want to love the manual so bad, but it doesn’t feel the same as any of the other manual vehicles I have owned. I feel like with a peddle commander, centerforce clutch, and a b&m short shifter It would be so much better though.

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[Orange01z28]

And say goodbye to the second to last manual truck. I understand why automatics are popular in the "cars are conveyance, nothing more" segment. But for the life of me I can't figure out how gearheads are preferring automatics.

The auto is better in every way in the JT/JL

I say this as a huge manual fan who is bummed about them going extinct

 

[ericnewcom]

I absolutely despise automatic transmissions. I have a 2021 f250 tremor with the 10 speed and I like everything about the truck except the automatic. Sometimes it shifts well other times lazy and almost feels confused about which gear it’s trying for.
The lowered tow and haul rating for the manual JT I feel is a ploy to do away with the option. If they make it less appealing and bad enough the take rate will lower enough to justify doing away with the option.
Ram did the same thing with the heavy duty trucks. They only offered 3.42 gears the last few years they had the manual trans and made it pretty much worthless as a heavy duty truck. First gear at idle would roll at 4mph. Try backing a trailer at 4mph in tight situations.
The JTR manual is 3mph at idle in first which is too fast for an off-road oriented vehicle. I plan to relatively soon. If Jeep had just made 1st geared lower it would t be necessary.
Why do so many people feel the need to bash on manual transmissions. If you don’t want it that’s your choice but quit saying it should go away and take away the options for us that like it even when flawed.

 

[TroutFishingInAmerica]

The auto is better in every way in the JT/JL

And here we go again...

Good for you, I'm glad you like your automatic transmission.

 

[ajkaz]

I absolutely despise automatic transmissions. I have a 2021 f250 tremor with the 10 speed and I like everything about the truck except the automatic. Sometimes it shifts well other times lazy and almost feels confused about which gear it’s trying for.
The lowered tow and haul rating for the manual JT I feel is a ploy to do away with the option. If they make it less appealing and bad enough the take rate will lower enough to justify doing away with the option.
Ram did the same thing with the heavy duty trucks. They only offered 3.42 gears the last few years they had the manual trans and made it pretty much worthless as a heavy duty truck. First gear at idle would roll at 4mph. Try backing a trailer at 4mph in tight situations.
The JTR manual is 3mph at idle in first which is too fast for an off-road oriented vehicle. I plan to relatively soon. If Jeep had just made 1st geared lower it would t be necessary.
Why do so many people feel the need to bash on manual transmissions. If you don’t want it that’s your choice but quit saying it should go away and take away the options for us that like it even when flawed.

I believe the lower rating is due to the limitations of the manual transmission. Its has a max torque rating of 272lb/ft. I'm sure the clutch is also a limiting factor as well. Not sure they could handle the max tow rating without long term issues.

 

[ericnewcom]

I believe the lower rating is due to the limitations of the manual transmission. Its has a max torque rating of 272lb/ft. I'm sure the clutch is also a limiting factor as well. Not sure they could handle the max tow rating without long term issues.

If that’s true it’s a choice Jeep made. It’s not like manual transmissions are hard to make or new technology. They chose to put a light duty manual in the gladiator I’m sure there are options on the market for similar or most likely lower cost (than the 8 speed) that could handle more power than the 8speed auto.

 

[XJFanatic]

With the weight reduction I think it'll be as good or better than the 3.6 Pentastar in performance.
It's amazing how much horsepower they're getting from smaller engines these days.

This is already the case with the 2.0t, supposedly it ran a tad too warm in the JT while towing. But this comment will start a pissing match shortly. Regardless if the dynos show the higher torque number and more usable curve.

 

[Rahkmalla]

The auto is better in every way in the JT/JL

I say this as a huge manual fan who is bummed about them going extinct

There's only one reason to buy a manual these days: enjoyment. And the manual is still better than the auto in that department. I had an auto willys for 6 months before I ordered my manual mojave, and I would not go back.

 

[Oilburner]

This is already the case with the 2.0t, supposedly it ran a tad too warm in the JT while towing. But this comment will start a pissing match shortly. Regardless if the dynos show the higher torque number and more usable curve.

Yes Jeep is in a tough spot w/ the JT, underpowered V6 & getting embarrassed by the competition, fix the 2.0L issues (& still have smallest engine), tread water until 3.0L, or ??

 

[TheOpa]

If you every get a chance to drive a car with a sequential transmission. DO IT. I had the opportunity to do a session at the track with a track prepped 800 HP Viper with a sequential transmission and flat foot shifting 2 years ago. You start out with the clutch. To up shift, just keep your foot flat on the floor and pull straight back on the shifter. To down shift. Just push forward on the shifter for each down shift. The throttle will auto blip for each gear. At first, I thought the car wanted to kill me. Once I got the hang of it. I cut my best lap times ever. If you're not driving that car at 100%. It WANTS to kill you. But it was sooooo much fun.

I have a similar set up on my Ducati.
Now we are pretty far off topic and deeper in the weeds. ?

 

[Gvsukids]

I think its likely that Jeep will keep the 3.6 and add the 4Xe to the Gladiator lineup. I'm not sure they will add the hurricane to the engine line up. I also wouldnt be surprised if they drop the Eco Diesel as well when the 4Xe launches.

The auto trans in the early 3.8 JK (4 Speed 42RLE) was so bad that I ended up with two 6 speed manual JK's and loved them both! Back then it was a huge improvement over that slush box. Once the W5A580 5speed was added along with the Pentastar the whole experience changed. Yes the 6 speed still had more gear options, but man that was a good automatic.

The Aisin AL6 wasn't a huge upgrade from the NSG370, yet the new 8 speed autos in the JT & JL are light years ahead of what they replaced. The manual trans experience has stayed the same over the last 20 years while the auto trans experience has developed 10 fold and completely changed the drivability of the entire platform.

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/when-will-there-be-a-gladiator-4xe.59056/

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/gladiator-last-mid-size-pickup-w-diesel.61031/

 

[onewhippedpuppy]

Wasn’t this thread about the new Taco losing the V6? The sad reality is that however bad the Pentastar V6 is, the Taco V6 is even worse. It’s rough, thrashy, gutless, and hates to rev. They can likely get more power out of a turbo 4 and provide a better driving experience. I’ve had rental Wranglers with the turbo 4 and it’s a really fun to drive Jeep, at no point did I miss the V6. People act like turbochargers are some alien technology, they’ve been in production cars since the 1980s and racing well before then.

As for the manual vs slushbox, if Jeep is smart they’ll keep the manual option and pick up the die hard manual guys (like me) who refuse to buy an automatic.

 

[BearFootSam]

I had a stick 2006 Mazda3 for the longest time and absolutely loved it, so much so that I thought I absolutely needed one for the JT. After test driving one, I was severely disheartened. Its not that I had any difficulty shifting or anything, it just wasn't nearly as fun to row through the gears. If I ever got a wrangler (TJ preferred) I'll absolutely get a manual in it, but I just couldn't see myself living with one in the gladiator.

On top of that, the auto trans in the gladiator is pretty fantastic, and if I was buying a truck the difference in towing #'s for the auto equipped Max Tow over the manual was massive, so that helped ease my decision a bit. The deck was just too stacked in the auto's favor for the gladiator for me to not choose it.

Exactly, the JT is a wrangler with legitimate towing capacity and the AT gives you at least 3k lbs more or a rational 4500lbs without over stressing.

Now on the north side of the transmission, at least gladiators still have an NA V6 option. Folks bemoan it and while I’m sure the Turbo Taco will be reliable, if I have to choose an auto give me a basic engine to go with it. It’s no I6 but Jeep has been using V6s for close to 60 years and that fits with the other anachronistic features.

Nevertheless I’m sure the next version of the gladiator will have a turbo in some iteration.

 

[BearFootSam]

Yes Jeep is in a tough spot w/ the JT, underpowered V6 & getting embarrassed by the competition, fix the 2.0L issues (& still have smallest engine), tread water until 3.0L, or ??

I would disagree, if you can look past the paper games of max output the P is a well matched engine. Sufficient output, broad torque curve that comes on early, reliable and well proven. It is undoubtedly a better power plant than the Tacoma V6.

 

[redriderjf87]

There's only one reason to buy a manual these days: enjoyment.

Another is simplicity. No dependence on electronics to function.

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