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A very minute adjustment (lengthening) in the lower control arms can/will result in better castor. It doesn't necessary have anything to do with harshness. If you notice your Jeep diving (front end nosing down) during braking, geo brackets and/or longer control arms will alleviate this issue.

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Correct, that is what I was saying, my confusion is why it seems like most people choose the route of a geo bracket with such a small control arm angle in comparison to most high end suspension setups.

It doesn't seem like a 2in should create enough of an arc to create a notably harsher ride.
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Correct, that is what I was saying, my confusion is why it seems like most people choose the route of a geo bracket with such a small control arm angle in comparison to most high end suspension setups.

It doesn't seem like a 2in should create enough of an arc to create a notably harsher ride.
Flat arms at ride height transmit impacts/bumps/road imperfections vertically which can all be absorbed by the springs and shocks like stock. Any angle will transmit a portion of that force horizontally into the frame where it isn't absorbed at all. The greater the angle the more of that force is transmitted into the frame instead of the suspension. I don't care what high-end kit you buy, wether it replaced all the control arms or not, the ride is determined by control arm angles, springs, shocks, and to some extent caster. Our 2022 jlur rides better with geo brackets and stock arms than our 2019 did with full rockkrawler arms both at 3.5" of lift. I wouldn't say they are necessary at 2" of lift, but if the mojave actually sits 1" higher than the Rubicon as advertised that 2" spacer puts you at 3" and now you're getting close to the point where they would make a huge difference in my experience.
 

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Flat arms at ride height transmit impacts/bumps/road imperfections vertically which can all be absorbed by the springs and shocks like stock. Any angle will transmit a portion of that force horizontally into the frame where it isn't absorbed at all. The greater the angle the more of that force is transmitted into the frame instead of the suspension. I don't care what high-end kit you buy, wether it replaced all the control arms or not, the ride is determined by control arm angles, springs, shocks, and to some extent caster. Our 2022 jlur rides better with geo brackets and stock arms than our 2019 did with full rockkrawler arms both at 3.5" of lift. I wouldn't say they are necessary at 2" of lift, but if the mojave actually sits 1" higher than the Rubicon as advertised that 2" spacer puts you at 3" and now you're getting close to the point where they would make a huge difference in my experience.
That is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you, now just to decide if the ride quality outweighs the low hanging bracket, which in the case of this vehicle I think it does since I will not be doing anything more difficult then the Rubicon at most.
 

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That is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you, now just to decide if the ride quality outweighs the low hanging bracket, which in the case of this vehicle I think it does since I will not be doing anything more difficult then the Rubicon at most.
I drove through a riverbed with a ton of rocks and boulders last September in the Black Hills. My truck has the 2” AEV lift with their geo brackets and is riding on 37’s. Suprisingly, the geo brackets gave me zero issues the entire time. There was only one spot that they made contact and that was coming off a large boulder for a poser shot:). My driver side bracket made contact with the rock as I was coming down off the rock, scraped a little, but with zero damage. Overall, I love the on road manners and the AEV Mojave lift was perfect off-road.

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Ya'll are confusing me, why does it seem so necessary to run geo brackets for a 2in spacer lift? I ran a 3.5in no limits kit on my JLUR before going long arm and have never had an issue with a "rough" ride and most high end suspension kits do not run the geo brackets.

I am new the the gladiator dealio, is something different about them to create this harsher ride so noticeably? Our shop builds rock buggies, custom jeeps, custom basically everything and I am well aware of link geometry, setting up 4links and 3links. Keeping things as flat as possible but it doesn't seem a 2in lift would add enough angle to have SOP feel? Is this just more noticeable in the Mojave's due to the stiffer front spring rate and valving?

As this is for my personal vehicle you have me intrigued, this is mainly just for hunting/ camping as the JLUR is now a rock queen.
Short answer is physics.

Long answer someone else just chimed in ;-)

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Question on doing this lift at home with floor jack and stands. I have done one before and it was a bit of a challenge, I have heard people mention doing it by lifting one corner at a time. Seems like it would be a little safer and might help articulating the spring out of its perch (which was my biggest challenge on the first one I've done).
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AEV 2 inch and Geo Brackets installed today. Love it, rides even better than factory.
Looks awesome! What size tires are those? Did you need spacers to run the wheels?
 

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this lift at home with floor jack and stands. I have done one before and it was a bit of a challenge, I have heard people mention doing it by lifting one corner at a time. Seems like it would be a little safer and might help articulating the spring out of its perch (which was my biggest challenge on the first one I've done).
Any thoughts or opinions on this approach?
I definitely would just do one corner at a time - unless you're wearing a "safety second" shirt. But theres no need to have 2 tires in the air at the same time, you can only work on one side anyway. The 'sketch' part I hear people talking about is mostly trying to retorque control arm bolts when the vehicle is on the ground, which is more difficult than if on a drive on lift. Still, lot of people do it.
 

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Why would you need spacers to run factory wheels?
If you have a taller tire and the oem backspacing, you could rubbing at full flex or steering lock. That’s why I was curious what size they were. The JL/JT platform makes huge tires look standard.

Are those still the oem 33s?
 

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Question on doing this lift at home with floor jack and stands. I have done one before and it was a bit of a challenge, I have heard people mention doing it by lifting one corner at a time. Seems like it would be a little safer and might help articulating the spring out of its perch (which was my biggest challenge on the first one I've done).
Any thoughts or opinions on this approach?
I don’t really see a problem with doing one corner at a time but I think it’s probably easiest to drop the whole axle and do both sides at the same time. Sway bar links probably need to wait until the end? Just make sure you don’t tighten control arms and track bars until it’s sitting on all fours.
 

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I have had my AEV lift installed for a year now. It has been a great system but the boots on all the the sway bar links are completely shot. All of them are brittle with large cracks everywhere.

Anyone else having the same issue? I’m planning to call AEV to see about replacements and if not, will buy some from somewhere else.

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Yes, I have the same issue after less than 6 mo ?
Same here!!! I just noticed this a few months ago when I put on my 37s and was playing with my alignment. Boots are pretty done and was upsetting considering I’m at about a year and a half now since installed. Thinking I should go with something with quick disconnects. If anyone gets with AEV please post. I will if I find time to.
Never mind, add me to the list on the torn boots. Damn.
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I had mine on for about a month before I swapped the fronts to Apex Autolynx. The boots on the links looked like a tire that had been sitting out in the desert for a decade. For the price of the kit I had expected better,
Noticed the same also this weekend. I expected better from AEV.

Cracks on the rubber, and this is living in a pretty easy climate PacNW
I am having the same issue with the front end link boots. I remember when I put them on thinking they didn't give off the vibe as being as nice as the OEM ones I took off. Upgrading to Clayton links soon. Expensive, put they look solid. You have to cut to size, but that allows you to customize how much angle up you want on your sway bar when the jeep is sitting flat.

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Wow, what a shocking change in quality expectations after a couple dozen pages of good reviews. Then bam, everyone has degraded boots and no one ever got a response from AEV.

Changing them up, getting Auto Lynx discos, etc. are all possible, but it's still disappointing to buy a kit and then have to replace 4 parts soon, or right away to avoid the hassle.

Checked my links this morning after seeing the comments herein, and I'm happy to see that they still look brand new. 18 months installed.
And then there's you, skirting the trend. What'd you do, get a better batch or keep them greased up or something?
 

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Wow, what a shocking change in quality expectations after a couple dozen pages of good reviews. Then bam, everyone has degraded boots and no one ever got a response from AEV.

Changing them up, getting Auto Lynx discos, etc. are all possible, but it's still disappointing to buy a kit and then have to replace 4 parts soon, or right away to avoid the hassle.



And then there's you, skirting the trend. What'd you do, get a better batch or keep them greased up or something?
I replaced mine with newer and seems ok now. They said there was essentially a known bad batch and that seems to line up.
 

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I replaced mine with newer and seems ok now. They said there was essentially a known bad batch and that seems to line up.
Oh, so you did end up getting a response from AEV. That's good and hopefully true.

Were they replaced with new links or boots from AEV, something to "prove" the bad batch theory, or other option and we'll never know until another couple dozen pages never mention it again?

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