Jeep cancels all 4xe Hybrid models!

[WILDHOBO]

So that's why CARB regulations supersede EPA regulations regarding emissions, huh? Yes CA regulations soon after become federal regulations when it comes to the automotive industry. That's why a 3-way cat can be 49 state compliant, but not CARB compliant, yet a CARB cat is legal in all 50 states and the EU.

Yes, CAFE standards started in the EU, but even the EU and Canada are following the same path as CA. CAFE is ruining motorcycles more than cars, but it's coming.



1) You live in a state with some of the highest fuel prices, and regulations regarding emissions.

2) Still cost tires (uses fossil fuels), brakes, electrical systems which fail with age/heat/vibrations/cycles. You also paid out the ass for that solar system that has the capacity to not only cover your usage, but also charge your car..AND those Kw/H rates you got when you had it installed don't exist anymore (I worked the solar industry, there's a reason people who can't afford it aren't buying homes either and that's directly related). Not to mention you don't own that electricity when those MANDATED rolling blackouts happen, so all that power you make/store is used by the grid while you're powerless.
- This is also why you see EVs using ICE engines to charge their EV when they "aren't allowed to charge at home" per CA blackouts.

3) Your Blazer EV weighs almost 1k more than my JT, and is smaller with similar range, range that can't be replaced in under 5 minutes, let alone hours of charging (unless you pay for level 3 charging, which you will eventually), and the fact you're limited to WHERE you can go based on that range/charger availability. Pumping your own gas is actually a good thing, look at the idiots in Oregon who couldn't figure it out because they weren't ALLOWED to until recently. And...

4) ICE engines won't be going away for at least another 100 years. Had they started putting properly sized turbos on engines that move the required air for said turbos sooner, we wouldn't be talking about EVs for another 15-20 years. Except there's regulation in the USA that prohibits manufacturers from making ICE engines that are over 83% efficient in passenger vehicles. This is why you see tiny sub-2L turbo engines that fail early, make shit power, and run on the ragged edge 100% of the time (letting the ECM detune the engine so it doesn't explode). Yes ICE engines will go away, just doesn't need to be as soon as those tax credit/tech boys think it should.

I agree politics should NOT be the reason change is made, but sadly that's the world we live in. We went from being the nation that lead in technology and innovation, but that's just not true anymore. America isn't the greatest country in the world like it touts it is, but that's due to ignorant people, and even more ignorant policies. You don't have to like what's being said, just be able to learn from repeated facts. Opinions are irrelevant.

If you do the same experiment and get the same result each time, in science, we call that "fact".

Brakes in EVs and hybrids are used probably 75% less, and therefore last that much longer. The average maintenance starts at 100k miles, with the exceptions of wiper fluid and tire rotations/replwcements. IF you’re driving past your range, high speed DC chargers in places like Walmart parking lots will give you huge percentages back in around 15mins. I’ve only had to do it a single time total, in 20k miles on my current EV. And it cost me a whopping $7 for the electric pumping out at 400amps. Yes. I watched the rate.

ICEngines won’t be sold in 100 years. If they are, I’ll eat my words, but you and I will be dead and gone by the. EVs and renewables are absolutely the future. Science proves that easily.

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[legacy_etu]

To be successful I think an EV needs to be a dedicated platform, not a modification of an existing one.

I think that's where the difficulties arise.

I think that would help for sure Not having to make compromises for other drivetrains. One thing I can think of is the floor in the Charger. Multiple people have complained about the floor being high to make room for the batteries. I noticed in the Wagoneer S that the back seat had a similar issue which along with a very flat/level seat bottom cushion made the back seat uncomfortable.

I am not a fan of the PHEV stuff. Give me an ICE or BEV vehicle. I don’t want the complexity/cost of having both systems in one vehicle. While I love the idea of the EREV drivetrain I feel like it’s best geared towards towing and ultimate performance given what’s it’s going to cost.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

I think that would help for sure Not having to make compromises for other drivetrains. One thing I can think of is the floor in the Charger. Multiple people have complained about the floor being high to make room for the batteries. I noticed in the Wagoneer S that the back seat had a similar issue which along with a very flat/level seat bottom cushion made the back seat uncomfortable.

I am not a fan of the PHEV stuff. Give me an ICE or BEV vehicle. I don’t want the complexity/cost of having both systems in one vehicle. While I love the idea of the EREV drivetrain I feel like it’s best geared towards towing and ultimate performance given what’s it’s going to cost.

Yes, that's one area where the EV supporters could benefit from learning about the technological problems that are inherent to the systems.

I won't even bother to touch on the very real problem that overshadows all EV production and that is the choke point in rare earth elements used to make the magnets and motors, samarium, deodynamium, dysprosium, etc... They aren't called rare earths for nothing!

 

[WILDHOBO]

I think that would help for sure Not having to make compromises for other drivetrains. One thing I can think of is the floor in the Charger. Multiple people have complained about the floor being high to make room for the batteries. I noticed in the Wagoneer S that the back seat had a similar issue which along with a very flat/level seat bottom cushion made the back seat uncomfortable.

I am not a fan of the PHEV stuff. Give me an ICE or BEV vehicle. I don’t want the complexity/cost of having both systems in one vehicle. While I love the idea of the EREV drivetrain I feel like it’s best geared towards towing and ultimate performance given what’s it’s going to cost.

EREV is the simplest and easiest system, 2nd to pure EV. All they’re doing is dumping watts into the batteries from a little 4 cylinder usually. They’ve been around for a decade and half. The Chevy volt is the best example. Those weren’t expensive at all.

 

[legacy_etu]

EREV is the simplest and easiest system, 2nd to pure EV. All they’re doing is dumping watts into the batteries from a little 4 cylinder usually. They’ve been around for a decade and half. The Chevy volt is the best example. Those weren’t expensive at all.

Hmmm, that’s right. Thanks for reminding me. Forgot about the Volt. I suppose we‘ll see if manufacturers can do the EREV drivetrain affordably. Thinking about the Ram and Scout here.
If I’m being honest, Id love to be able to get away from ICE maintenance.

 

[NotSo Bright White]

That’s a pretty inaccurate, biased and broad statement to make man.

No it is very accurate. California is horrible! High gas prices, taxes, and drought! Everyone here should leave and move to Nevada!

 

[WILDHOBO]

Hmmm, that’s right. Thanks for reminding me. Forgot about the Volt. I suppose we‘ll see if manufacturers can do the EREV drivetrain affordably. Thinking about the Ram and Scout here.
If I’m being honest, Id love to be able to get away from ICE maintenance.

Same. I very much considered building the Willy’s as an EV. Maybe someday I still will.

 

[Rusty PW]

The market is determining the EV right now. Eliminate the tax credit, and see what happened. Low sales. A lot of companies are rethinking their plans on EV's. 98% of them have scaled back their plans. Think Jaguar is the only one going ahead with the full transition to EV. And they are paying the price for it. They might not be around in another 5 years. Both Ford and GM have taken billions of dollars in loses. So has the Europeans. China is pumping out EV's with such low quality. They won't stand behind the warranty, and you're lucky if they last 2 years.

Do I believe the EV's will stick around. Yes. They are not ready for primetime. There is alot of growing pains to be had. Range, charging time, and charging stations, resale value. This is going to be the big one. Who wants a used EV that will need it's battery replaced in a year or two. That will cost just as much, if not more than what you paid for it. This is why I see ICE sticking around for a long time. Next is the grid. EV's are in competition with AI large-scale data centers. And the grid isn't adding enough generation for both. Some AI companies have locked up electrical generation from some nuke plants. Meaning that they will get their power regardless of everyone one else. Wind and solar is a joke. You can't depend on it. The sun has to shine, the wind has to blow. Bad weather shuts both down. Clouds, rain and snow, so much for solar. The wind has to between 6 to 31 mph. Below 6, not enough wind for generation. Above 31, and they shut down and stop to protect the wind turbine from over speed.

I spent 15 yrs as a senior control room operator at a natural gas power plant. I had direct communications the grid operator, PJM. Talked to them every day, either by phone or email. I've seen 6 transmission line projects get shot down by the NIMBY's that would have increased grid reliability, 4 coal fired power plants close because of the NIMBY's. Even after spending 1 billion to update their emissions to the latest standards. Now they are paying the price with higher electric rates.

NIMBY = Not In My Back Yard idiots.

 

[Stan H]

Maybe, but Chevy and ford have succeeded at it.

But Chevy totally and maybe Ford pretty much dumped EV's , I just seen a video and new story about Chevy.

 

[Rusty PW]

But Chevy totally and maybe Ford pretty much dumped EV's , I just seen a video and new story about Chevy.

Think both of them have wrote off about 5 billion in loses because of the EV's. Ford is only producing one car and that's the Mustang. Everything else is suv, and truck. They dropped everything else.

 

[Hootbro]

People who inject politics into this...... NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR VIEWS. JFC....

Vehicles are probably one of the most govt. regulated things consumers interact with on a daily basis. Discussing it with any depth of understanding and keeping politics out of it is a bit obtuse and unavoidable.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I am not a fan of the PHEV stuff. Give me an ICE or BEV vehicle. I don’t want the complexity/cost of having both systems in one vehicle.

It's the most complex way to propel a vehicle.

Totally marketing for the boomers and luddites who just can't leave their driveway without traveling 7,437 miles each day for 17 hours at a time. Somehow representing 98% of any comments section, but only 0.087% of the actual US population.

And the majority of them never get plugged in at all.

 

[legacy_etu]

It's the most complex way to propel a vehicle.

Totally marketing for the boomers and luddites who just can't leave their driveway without traveling 7,437 miles each day for 17 hours at a time. Somehow representing 98% of any comments section, but only 0.087% of the actual US population.

And the majority of them never get plugged in at all.

LOL.

You know, some might call me inconsistent since I just bought an Eray: Electric motor in front and V8 powering the back. What I like about this system is it's two totally separated systems and to recharge the tiny battery the system just regens the front wheels to recharge. Since the battery is so small this happens in the span of a couple city blocks. Reasonably simple.

 

[ChrisNLA]

I'm not nearly in the weeds politically as many of you fellas.

Anyway - it's too bad they're going. It seems a lot of people liked them. I can't speak for any reliability issues they may have had.

I don't have anything I am willing to replace with an EV at the moment (or the outright money), but I would not be opposed to having a full EV as a commuter if the stars aligned. My upcoming commute will be about 75 miles a day. Something like a Model Y or a Mach E would take care of 'most' of my Home Depot stops on the way home from work, or grabbing the kiddos from ball games.

Use my Gladiator for adventures or dragging my trailers.

I am unsure of how much I love PHEV's as I feel like for the most part you are getting all the complexities of both drivetrains (and then some), and I don't care for that. No experience with either though - so just thinking out loud.

In Forrest Gumps voice.

Well that's all I have to say about that.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I'm not nearly in the weeds politically as many of you fellas.

Anyway - it's too bad they're going. It seems a lot of people liked them. I can't speak for any reliability issues they may have had.

I don't have anything I am willing to replace with an EV at the moment (or the outright money), but I would not be opposed to having a full EV as a commuter if the stars aligned. My upcoming commute will be about 75 miles a day. Something like a Model Y or a Mach E would take care of 'most' of my Home Depot stops on the way home from work, or grabbing the kiddos from ball games.

Use my Gladiator for adventures or dragging my trailers.

I am unsure of how much I love PHEV's as I feel like for the most part you are getting all the complexities of both drivetrains (and then some), and I don't care for that. No experience with either though - so just thinking out loud.

In Forrest Gumps voice.

Well that's all I have to say about that.

My wife does exactly this. Drives here little nurse route to see her patients in her Tesla, 100-130 miles a day, 8 bucks. Pockets her mileage pay.

Drives her Gladiator when she wants to or we go on vacation.

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