Here we go... No more ICE Jeep allocations to dealers in "CARB States" - customers must special order [⚠️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[bleda2002]

Except the PHEV models are significantly more expensive than the already expensive gas models, so people will go out of state for them if they want them immediately - or buy something else (Bronco?). As for eliminating the traditional dealership, this ABSOLUTELY needs to happen - and I believe it will... but it's going to take time to roll back all of the various state laws that are currently in place to protect the current dealership model. VW and Ford (others?) have already been making moves toward the direct sales model (like Tesla). Personally, I CAN'T WAIT for this to happen. No more HOURS of the same old B.S. sales tactics/games at the dealership that they've been putting us through for DECADES... no more ridiculous markups over MSRP on desirable models, etc. Just place your order, pay the same price that everyone else pays, and it shows up at your house in a few days/weeks. It's coming, but it's going to take time (years).

FYI, in a lot of these states the state kicks in on top of the government credit to drop it well below a gas model. California kicks in 7K on top of the 3750 (or 7500 leased) so the 5-7Kish price difference between ev and comparable ice only basically turns in to a net of thousands for going EV. The cheapest 4xe is under 50K compared to the sport s automatic at 45K. Tack on protentially 10K+ and you have a decently equipped 4xe for stripper sport money.

Personally I think this is brilliant strategy by Stellantis to boost fleet averages by selling the phev's in the markets where it makes most sense to order one.

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[Raven65]

Personally I think this is brilliant strategy by Stellantis to boost fleet averages by selling the phev's in the markets where it makes most sense to order one.

But that isn't what they're doing. The option to buy a Jeep PHEV was already (and still is) available to everyone in every state (which is great for Stellantis' CAFE rating) but I don't think it's cool to limit consumers options by restricting dealer allocations to only PHEVs in these so-called "CARB states". Yes, I know buyers can still special order an ICE version or buy one from out of state - but that puts an unfair burden on them and the CARB state dealerships. I'm all for electrification and will gladly make that switch as soon as I feel that the infrastructure in my state can support it (unfortunately, they are nowhere close to ready)... I just think the market should drive that decision... not the government.

 

[jcarbs]

What's the sentiment about buying out of state and bringing it home?

I did that on my '99 TJ in order to save a couple of thousand dollars as compared to the one Jeep dealer in the town I was living in. The purchase was pretty easy and all I had to do was pay the state sales tax when I registered. I'd do it again if it was worth the savings.

 

[sharpsicle]

But that isn't what they're doing. The option to buy a Jeep PHEV was already (and still is) available to everyone in every state (which is great for Stellantis' CAFE rating) but I don't think it's cool to limit consumers options by restricting dealer allocations to only PHEVs in these so-called "CARB states". Yes, I know buyers can still special order an ICE version or buy one from out of state - but that puts an unfair burden on them and the CARB state dealerships. I'm all for electrification and will gladly make that switch as soon as I feel that the infrastructure in my state can support it (unfortunately, they are nowhere close to ready)... I just think the market should drive that decision... not the government.

I think that's exactly what's happening, though. The market is going to decide it, for now anyway. What they allocate for dealer lots is akin to advertising, not choice. They want to advertise the hybrid models more and this is one of the ways they're going to do it. Don't want the hybrid? No problem, we can still order you what you want.

Sad truth is advertising, in its many forms, does work in changing the buying trends of the public as a whole. This is a population-based thing, not individual. Don't mistake this lot stocking technique for anything related to your personal choice or decision making abilities. This is something to affect the sale numbers of entire demographics. If they wanted to sell more diesels, they would allocate more diesels to lots, and this is the same concept in play here.

What a dealership stocks on its lot is not restricting your freedom of choice or forcing anything upon you. It's a business decision, just like it's a business decision what Wal-Mart puts on their shelves or what tires your local tire shop keeps on hand. You can make a decision to buy off the shelf or lot, or not and order what you want. Many people here didn't buy off the lot anyway, so it's really no big deal what Jeep is going to keep on there. These things are still available.

 

[bleda2002]

But that isn't what they're doing. The option to buy a Jeep PHEV was already (and still is) available to everyone in every state (which is great for Stellantis' CAFE rating) but I don't think it's cool to limit consumers options by restricting dealer allocations to only PHEVs in these so-called "CARB states". Yes, I know buyers can still special order an ICE version or buy one from out of state - but that puts an unfair burden on them and the CARB state dealerships. I'm all for electrification and will gladly make that switch as soon as I feel that the infrastructure in my state can support it (unfortunately, they are nowhere close to ready)... I just think the market should drive that decision... not the government.

This is stellantis, not the government right now so there has to have been some business calculus done already.

Its definitely a burden on the dealers to sell what they get, but stellantis probably sees the dollar signs on the wall, hence why theyre pushing it early. Its a win win for stellantis and mos consumers, they make more money per unit, the consumer pays less than a comparable gas only in most cases, and stellantis gets better CAFE numbers. The losers here are the dealers, and the die hards that wont consider the phev, but both of those can put in effort to get around it and if they feel that strongly about it will put in the effort.

There is an assumption the casual buyer will walk in and walk out because they dont have ice only, and that is true in some cases, but stellantis already knows that. I assume they figure that its a pretty convincing argument for casual buyers to find out they're getting a more optioned wrangler for potentially the same or less money and with more power and better mpg. Its not like dealers are stocking the stripper models on the lots so those models are already special orders.

 

[RacerAV]

What's the sentiment about buying out of state and bringing it home?

I've done this on a few vehicles, even special ordered one from a dealer in Iowa! Drove it home, had to jump through stupid CA hoops, but paid the tax, ouch, and got each registered. No issues.

 

[Dennisbeyle]

I did that on my '99 TJ in order to save a couple of thousand dollars as compared to the one Jeep dealer in the town I was living in. The purchase was pretty easy and all I had to do was pay the state sales tax when I registered. I'd do it again if it was worth the savings.

I bought my 21 JTRD Peterson’s Idaho saved 8K+. Ya i’am from the land of fruits nuts an green weenies paid ca sales tax to dealer had to smog a new vehicle and pay licensing when I got home. Would do again it’s worth it

 

[BourbonRunner]

I mean, as the dealership model is outdated and inefficient maybe this will bring about the change needed to ditch the dealer, do a direct to consumer ordering model, and allow the implementation of dedicated service centers.

I'm all for it. The dealer system, especially the big chains are awful. Indies are are at least somewhat decent but on a case by case basis.

We've been hunting for her next car recently and overall the experience sucks. We looked at Outbacks, Sant Fe's, Sorrento's, Foresters, Cherokees, Bronco Sports, and each chain dealer one has zero product knowledge, tries the same games, and is overly unprofessional. I'm trying to get a Ford dealer to call me back about a BS and they're rapidly losing my patience... and my business.

 

[Raven65]

I think that's exactly what's happening, though. The market is going to decide it, for now anyway. What they allocate for dealer lots is akin to advertising, not choice. They want to advertise the hybrid models more and this is one of the ways they're going to do it. Don't want the hybrid? No problem, we can still order you what you want.

Sad truth is advertising, in its many forms, does work in changing the buying trends of the public as a whole. This is a population-based thing, not individual. Don't mistake this lot stocking technique for anything related to your personal choice or decision making abilities. This is something to affect the sale numbers of entire demographics. If they wanted to sell more diesels, they would allocate more diesels to lots, and this is the same concept in play here.

What a dealership stocks on its lot is not restricting your freedom of choice or forcing anything upon you. It's a business decision, just like it's a business decision what Wal-Mart puts on their shelves or what tires your local tire shop keeps on hand. You can make a decision to buy off the shelf or lot, or not and order what you want. Many people here didn't buy off the lot anyway, so it's really no big deal what Jeep is going to keep on there. These things are still available.

Let's say a person wants an ICE Wrangler or Gladiator ASAP and they go down to their local Jeep dealer with the intention of buying one today - and then find that they ONLY have PHEVs on the lot because of this CARB state BS - but the dealer will be more than happy to order one for them... and it'll be here in a few weeks (or months)... that is not "like advertising", that is limiting the consumer's choice - plain and simple.

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

Let's say a person wants an ICE Wrangler or Gladiator ASAP and they go down to their local Jeep dealer with the intention of buying one today - and then find that they ONLY have PHEVs on the lot because of this CARB state BS - but the dealer will be more than happy to order one for them... and it'll be here in a few weeks (or months)... that is not "like advertising", that is limiting the consumer's choice - plain and simple.

Then that person can learn to have some patience instead of expecting to get everything they want exactly when they want it lol.

Or they can plan ahead and shop across state lines.

In the year 2023 does ANYONE really just up and go to a dealership without checking their inventory first? Like, if it was 1992 maybe…but now?

 

[Raven65]

Then that person can learn to have some patience instead of expecting to get everything they want exactly when they want it lol.

Or they can plan ahead and shop across state lines.

In the year 2023 does ANYONE really just up and go to a dealership without checking their inventory first? Like, if it was 1992 maybe…but now?

So, basically, your answer to this scenario is "Tough shit... go shop in another state." Got it. Also supports my point that this hurts local dealers and puts an undue burden on the consumer.

 

[Blitzinger]

I imagine NY is one of those states. glad I got my JT when I did but should this be an issue on next vehicle purchase, I’ll buy out of state just like I do with ammo now.

 

[sharpsicle]

Let's say a person wants an ICE Wrangler or Gladiator ASAP and they go down to their local Jeep dealer with the intention of buying one today - and then find that they ONLY have PHEVs on the lot because of this CARB state BS - but the dealer will be more than happy to order one for them... and it'll be here in a few weeks (or months)... that is not "like advertising", that is limiting the consumer's choice - plain and simple.

Then the consumer, being a responsible adult, can make a choice between getting the Jeep they want or satisfying their want/need to have a vehicle immediately and get something else. Just like they do today when the lot doesn't have what they're looking for. At no point is the consumer restricted from making that choice. This decision making balance is a very good lesson that most are taught as kids.

Nobody at this point is saying you can't get these vehicles. So the "limiting" is only what you make it to be.

 

[redriderjf87]

NO DON'T LET THEM MOVE !!! Let them fix there own state. To many have moved to other states already and messing them up now!!

I get your point, but it goes both ways.

On one hand you have clueless NPC's or lefties moving states and ruining wherever they go to.

On the other hand there are people who get it and is beneficial for them to leave and reward another state that's more welcoming to them as consumers.

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

So, basically, your answer to this scenario is "Tough shit... go shop in another state." Got it. Also supports my point that this hurts local dealers and puts an undue burden on the consumer.

No, my answer to this scenario is this:

Then the consumer, being a responsible adult, can make a choice between getting the Jeep they want or satisfying their want/need to have a vehicle immediately and get something else. Just like they do today when the lot doesn't have what they're looking for. At no point is the consumer restricted from making that choice. This decision making balance is a very good lesson that most are taught as kids.

Nobody at this point is saying you can't get these vehicles. So the "limiting" is only what you make it to be.

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