Here we go... No more ICE Jeep allocations to dealers in "CARB States" - customers must special order [⚠️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[LouisvEarlleJT]

... clueless NPC's or lefties ...

The inability to see someone you disagree with as a person makes conversation very difficult.

And there's the politics.

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[redriderjf87]

The inability to see someone you disagree with as a person makes conversation very difficult.

And there's the politics.

False. I never said I don't see someone as a person.

 

[Raven65]

No, my answer to this scenario is this:

OK, so you're fine with no longer being able to walk onto a Jeep dealership lot in a "CARB state" and test-drive and buy an ICE Jeep that same day. OK... fair enough. I'm not.

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

False. I never said I don't see someone as a person.

My bad. I took the NPC to mean non-playable-character which is typically a slang for someone who you see as not a real person.

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

Question for the folks who were of car buying age in 1987:

Did everyone get this uptight about not being able to buy a carbureted car/truck in 1988? (yes I know there were carbureted AMC's into 1990/91 but I know chevy stopped in 87)

ICE to hybrid is not all that different.

 

[sharpsicle]

OK, so you're fine with no longer being able to walk onto a Jeep dealership lot in a "CARB state" and test-drive and buy an ICE Jeep that same day. OK... fair enough. I'm not.

There are a ton of vehicles you can't walk to a lot, test drive, and immediately buy as it is today. Heck, even EcoDiesels were often not stocked on lots. So does that mean you're never going to buy those vehicles, and that an EcoDiesel was never an option for you, simply because you couldn't get instant gratification? Because that's exactly what you're saying with that statement. And I don't think that really represents the truth.

 

[Raven65]

Question for the folks who were of car buying age in 1987:

Did everyone get this uptight about not being able to buy a carbureted car/truck in 1988? (yes I know there were carbureted AMC's into 1990/91 but I know chevy stopped in 87)

ICE to hybrid is not all that different.

LOL!!! It totally is... fundamentally different. Not to mention a 4xe is significantly more expensive than it's straight ICE counterpart (at least in states not subsidizing PHEVs).

 

[BourbonRunner]

Then that person can learn to have some patience instead of expecting to get everything they want exactly when they want it lol.

Or they can plan ahead and shop across state lines.

In the year 2023 does ANYONE really just up and go to a dealership without checking their inventory first? Like, if it was 1992 maybe…but now?

Have you never been in the position where your current car is no longer drivable and you have to buy something immediately? Mechanically or you were in a total loss accident?

Or that one day you just up and decide you are tired of your current vehicle and its issues and you want to trade it in?

 

[Mr._Bill]

OK, so you're fine with no longer being able to walk onto a Jeep dealership lot in a "CARB state" and test-drive and buy an ICE Jeep that same day. OK... fair enough. I'm not.

Most of the people that test drive and buy that day are the impulse buyers that the dealer makes the most profit from.

I decided the Gladiator would probably be a good choice. I went and did a test drive on an Overland that was on the lot. I sat with them for a bit, asked some questions, and then left. They called two weeks later and asked what it would take to get me to buy the truck. That was four years and 50k miles ago. They keep trying to sell me a new one, but are not willing to negotiate on price. Each time, I let them know why I'm not buying. They keep sending a letter every month, but have stopped calling me.

 

[Mr._Bill]

Have you never been in the position where your current car is no longer drivable and you have to buy something immediately? Mechanically or you were in a total loss accident?

Or that one day you just up and decide you are tired of your current vehicle and its issues and you want to trade it in?

That's what Hertz, Avis, Budget, Enterprise, and all those other rental places are for. It's cheaper to rent and make a good decision than to rush into something you will regret. Car purchases, in most states, have a 'No Return' policy.

 

[BourbonRunner]

That's what Hertz, Avis, Budget, Enterprise, and all those other rental places are for. It's cheaper to rent and make a good decision than to rush into something you will regret. Car purchases, in most states, have a 'No Return' policy.

Toyota, Honda, Kia, and the many other manufacturers with a take it or leave it policy on dealer stock and don't allow special orders would like a word. And I can't stand that either -- Come in, put your name down, wait a couple months, have a couple different choices because you're only getting what we tell you is available. Don't like it? Tough shit.

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

Have you never been in the position where your current car is no longer drivable and you have to buy something immediately? Mechanically or you were in a total loss accident?

Or that one day you just up and decide you are tired of your current vehicle and its issues and you want to trade it in?

I have been in the first situation. The other driver’s insurance provided a rental.

I’ve felt the second situation, but went to bed and got up the next day feeling differently.

 

[bd100]

Question for the folks who were of car buying age in 1987:

Did everyone get this uptight about not being able to buy a carbureted car/truck in 1988? (yes I know there were carbureted AMC's into 1990/91 but I know chevy stopped in 87)

ICE to hybrid is not all that different.

This is the most interesting question in this thread so far. In my case my family got a car with the first year it had fuel injection. I was actually more nervous about the associated engine computer. They put the TFI module on the distributor and it went out some times. I could replace it by the side of the road, and always carried a spare. I also had the electrical connector going into the fuel pump in the gas tank develop a bad connection and kill the pump at a gas station out of state. After some time looking under the back bumper I found the connector, disconnected, reconnected, and it fired right up. Since then I learned about dielectric grease and never had that problem again. A few fuel pumps failed over the years, as well.

But the actual engine computer? It lasted the life of the car. 23 years and it was still working when they drove it away under its own power.

And I don't miss the routine about priming the carb before ignition, hopefully without flooding it. And fuel injection worked better at altitude.

 

[Raven65]

Most of the people that test drive and buy that day are the impulse buyers that the dealer makes the most profit from.

I decided the Gladiator would probably be a good choice. I went and did a test drive on an Overland that was on the lot. I sat with them for a bit, asked some questions, and then left. They called two weeks later and asked what it would take to get me to buy the truck. That was four years and 50k miles ago. They keep trying to sell me a new one, but are not willing to negotiate on price. Each time, I let them know why I'm not buying. They keep sending a letter every month, but have stopped calling me.

I'm not necessarily talking about impulse buyers. I agree that they are the customers that the dealers love to prey on - and I am not one of those customers. Before this Jeep, I typically bought brands that don't even offer the option to special order anything, so your only option is finding what you want on a dealership lot. Once I decide on a vehicle I'm interested in by doing research online for weeks, I go test drive it - and then if I decide that's definitely what I want and I'm ready to buy, I want it ASAP. I leave and go back home and get online again looking at every dealer's inventory within 100 miles or so to find the exact color/options, etc. I want (or as close as I can get) for the best advertised price - and then I email/call various dealers to get their "out the door" price on a specific vehicle before deciding on one and going in to the dealership to finalize the deal. If I lived in a CARB state and wanted to buy an ICE Wrangler/Gladiator, I wouldn't even be able to test-drive one locally - or buy one off the lot - because there won't be any. If I go to the trouble of traveling to a dealership out of state to test-drive one, I'd likely just buy it from them - rather than go back home and order one and wait weeks/months for it. Again.. this puts dealers in CARB states at a disadvantage and makes it a pain for people wanting to buy an ICE Jeep. Sure, if you're already familiar with Jeeps, it's not a problem to order one sight unseen, but for others, it's going to be a pain - which I suppose is Stellantis' strategy to sell more 4xe's anyway. If that's all that's available on the lot, they'll certainly sell more of them.

Look, I get it... we're headed toward electrification - and in a year or two this will be a moot point because that's all that will be available. I just don't think it's fair to the dealers or customers in CARB states for Stellantis to not allow allocations for ICE vehicles there while continuing to offer them to dealers in non-CARB states. If you guys are cool with it, great. Doesn't matter to me.. I have mine... not planning on buying another anytime soon, but if I do, I'm glad I live in a non-CARB state where I still have the option to buy one off the lot.

 

[ShrimpHappens]

False. I never said I don't see someone as a person.

Oh bullshit. Someone calls you out on your derogatory slang and you cower into splitting hairs. Give me a break.

This is the reason we have the No Politics warnings. It's always an "FJB" badge or someone talking about "Commiefornia," never the other way around. And when called out on it, it's always tHaT's NoT aCtUaLlY wHaT i SaId!!

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