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Maybe a new general diesel thread asking for volunteers, rather than 80 pages deep in the overheating thread

Gardendale AL near Birmingham. 2.5 hours from Atlanta

might try the JL forum too
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I feel the throttle get lazy around 245
It's possible that Jeep has a lower temp for when the soft derate activates.

When the full derate came on, I was restricted to like 15 mph regardless of how much throttle I gave it when towing on grade.

I can definitely agree that lower speeds are the Eco's friend, but it's just not all that popular to hold up traffic at 20-40mph when the posted speed limit is 55mph and the traffic generally is going 5-15mph over that......This is the case with the 9% grade heading east out of my town.
It's not a problem on the interstate since there's typically a passing lane on those long steep grades.

It may not be popular with some people, but that's life. We all have to be respectful of walkers, hikers, runners, bicyclists, motorcycles, RVers, 18 wheelers, etc.

My solution is to just be off the road when towing heavy by the time the temps exceed 95°. Here in CA posted towing speed limit is 55mph, but even in other states I pretty much cap the speed at 62ish unless there is a tail wind.
I enjoy towing through California with the 55-mph speed limit. I averaged 15 mpg one time going through the Mojave Desert towing our travel trailer.
 

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Nope, coolant was only 225 or so, and ~245 oil. Like I said, not extreme.
I've seen my oil temp highest at 269 climbing that long incline near June Lake going north on 395. Ambient temp was around 100-102 degree. Surprisingly, no derating. Fortunately, i've yet to experience any derating. With 4.10s gears and 37s, i noticed it runs cooler climbing an incline doing 75mph instead of 65-70 mph.
 

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…….I say 6% because that is the maximum grade on the interstate. Once you're off the interstate, then you might encounter steeper and/or longer grades (6%, 7%, 8%, 9%). If a mountain road is really curvy, then the posted speed limit might be 35 mph. If that's the case, then you might be running 20 - 25 mph towing. The engine doesn't work near as hard at those speeds, thus keeping the oil and coolant temps in good shape.
Just an fyi for anyone reading this…

“Much of I-70 cuts through narrow valleys where there is little room to add a single additional lane. Even where lanes can be added the cost is high and there are serious rockslide issues from extreme slopes. The mountain pass is also steep with 7 and 8 percent grades and truck run away lanes.”

https://cmca.com/industry-info/i-70-corridor/#:~:text=Constraints,and truck run away lanes.

When I read your comment I had to look that statement up. Earlier this Spring I went through Vail Pass on I-70 in the middle of a snowstorm and it was 14 degrees outside. My gas Gladiator, fully loaded, saw super high oil temps (don’t remember the exact number) but I nursed it to the top and all was good.

That pass was very steep as are many others in the US. Plus it was at a high elevation as well.
 

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Just an fyi for anyone reading this…

“Much of I-70 cuts through narrow valleys where there is little room to add a single additional lane. Even where lanes can be added the cost is high and there are serious rockslide issues from extreme slopes. The mountain pass is also steep with 7 and 8 percent grades and truck run away lanes.”

https://cmca.com/industry-info/i-70-corridor/#:~:text=Constraints,and truck run away lanes.

When I read your comment I had to look that statement up. Earlier this Spring I went through Vail Pass on I-70 in the middle of a snowstorm and it was 14 degrees outside. My gas Gladiator, fully loaded, saw super high oil temps (don’t remember the exact number) but I nursed it to the top and all was good.

That pass was very steep as are many others in the US. Plus it was at a high elevation as well.
We traveled I70 last June over Vail pass fully loaded and possibly slightly over max gcvwr. Yes she slowed down considerably, but it not overheat. It seemed most vehicles were struggling and we did pass quite a few. I don't recall the temp, but it was well, under 100`.
 

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When I read your comment I had to look that statement up. Earlier this Spring I went through Vail Pass on I-70 in the middle of a snowstorm and it was 14 degrees outside. My gas Gladiator, fully loaded, saw super high oil temps (don’t remember the exact number) but I nursed it to the top and all was good.

That pass was very steep as are many others in the US. Plus it was at a high elevation as well.
I live in northern New Mexico, so we do a lot of towing throughout NM, AZ, UT, and CO. There are so many 18 wheelers (and large trucks in general) on the roads today, that I oftentimes find myself having to slow down for them. Our 2020 Ram EcoDiesel with 3.92 gears has no issue maintaining speed while towing, nor does it really have any issues with getting too hot. Our 2015 Ram EcoDiesel with 3.55 gears, however, is a much different story. It does get hot real quick due to the radiator/charge air cooler stacked design. I simply slow down on those mountain passes, and the truck does just fine.

The Gladiator has a narrow grille opening, which is why there are concerns. It's similar to my 2015 EcoDiesel in how fast it can get hot, but I've learned to manage it with speed.

Wolf Creek Pass in Colorado is one that I've seen some of my hottest temps. Semi-trucks are restricted to 25 mph. The reason why the engine gets so hot is because you're climbing at a 6% - 7% grade for what seems like forever. The issue is the length of the grade more than the steepness. The Ozark Mountains in southern Missouri or Northern Arkansas have some very steep sections, but they don't last long, which is why temps are not a problem in the Ozarks. At Wolf Creek Pass, you're starting out at around 7,000' feet and you're climbing to just under 11,000' feet. That's 4,000' feet of elevation gain!
 

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We traveled I70 last June over Vail pass fully loaded and possibly slightly over max gcvwr. Yes she slowed down considerably, but it not overheat. It seemed most vehicles were struggling and we did pass quite a few. I don't recall the temp, but it was well, under 100`.
My temps are hotter going through Arizona and New Mexico on I-40 than what I see going through Colorado on I-70.
 

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I did that:

”I have not had a diesel here to read the data and test a controller on.
I have verified it works with the 3.6, 2.0 and for both the GPEC2a and newer GPEC5. Just haven’t had a diesel here to play with yet.“

They’re in Alabama. Anyone nearby?
just contacted them for posterity sake since they’re 45min away. I’ll try to setup a drop off of mine to see if they can make it work. I’m not the best experimental platform since I rarely tow so it will be up to y’all from there to see if this is the answer to your cooling issues.
 

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just contacted them for posterity sake since they’re 45min away. I’ll try to setup a drop off of mine to see if they can make it work. I’m not the best experimental platform since I rarely tow so it will be up to y’all from there to see if this is the answer to your cooling issues.
Thank you! I expect it’s just a matter of hooking up some test leads and talking to the CANBUS. Shouldn’t be too invasive for you. Let’s hope this leads to something
 

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I got it all mounted and plumbed today.!

Had to do a little trimming on the corner frame brackets to make room for the hoses. I welded the supplied brackets to the skid plate brackets since that was the easiest. You can still get the bolts out of the radiator and/or drop the whole thing as an assembly.

Obviously I need to cut a slot in the skid plate still, but I want to see about some expanded metal with a tighter pattern or just install a bug screen inside. I also plan to fab a box on the inside surrounding the radiator and seal it with foam so any possible vacuum behind it can be utilized for extra air volume.

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Do you think it is at all feasible to mount behind the grill? Mounting this so low and so far forward makes me nervous for a Jeep I use to do Jeep things.
 

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Do you think it is at all feasible to mount behind the grill? Mounting this so low and so far forward makes me nervous for a Jeep I use to do Jeep things.
Maybe......Last thing I wanted to do was add more restriction and heat to the already overtaxed OE cooling stack. Plus o would have to pull my winch and bumper to get the grill off.

EDIT:Pretty sure this BulletProof radiator wont fit behind the grill either. It only just fit inside the frame rails. Not to say you couldn't source another cooler type though.
 
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Here is my solution. It uses a Derale cooler mounted towards the rear under the bed. I am going to tap into the coolant just like BPD does, the return from the oil heat exchanger. I made a scoop for it that is easily removable. At a minimum I plan to run the scoop on long trips and definitely when towing. I am still waiting on my hose to show up so I can plumb it all in. I took the best pictures that I could. It's very difficult to do without the truck being on a lift.

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The best parts of your install pics is all that other emissions BS is surprisingly missing.... Jealous a bit and good on ya!
 

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just contacted them for posterity sake since they’re 45min away. I’ll try to setup a drop off of mine to see if they can make it work. I’m not the best experimental platform since I rarely tow so it will be up to y’all from there to see if this is the answer to your cooling issues.
Juat start monitoring your temps during normal driving. Keep a log of what you see at various speeds. If the controller works for the diesel; then do a comparison of the temps you see at those same previous speeds.
 

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I dont understand what the fan controller can do for us? The fan pretty much runs wide open when stopped at these temps anyway.

Most of us have a Tazer and can enable cooldown mode but it's not enough even if you leave it on all day?
 

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I dont understand what the fan controller can do for us? The fan pretty much runs wide open when stopped at these temps anyway.

Most of us have a Tazer and can enable cooldown mode but it's not enough even if you leave it on all day?
Well I don’t have a diesel so I don’t know what the operating conditions are for it but for the 3.6 it turns the fan on sooner and doesn’t let the temps get so high. When does the fan on the diesel start spinning? Before the controller I would never hear mine. Now I hear it all the time.
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