Jeep cancels all 4xe Hybrid models!

[Thunderspud]

VW is building a Scout Motors EV plant less the 2 miles from me. Not slated to produce the first car unit later this year or next. Millions or billions of tax money going to improve/reroute local infrastructure to accommodate. Sure is f'ing up the place (IMO). I envision the same switcheroo coming.

Honestly, I am a bit intrigued by that new Scout. Solid rear axle, locking front and rear diff, bolt-on bumpers and rockers, sway bar disconnects, and dual electric motors. I dunno that I am in the market for one as a daily, but as a weekend toy? I'm not hating the idea.

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[WILDHOBO]

How many trips could it possibly have saved? 1 maybe.

500 miles would take just over a tank of gas in my Gladiator. At current prices that around $70.

A ton. An EV would have cost about $17 for those 500 miles. Our PHEV with the same approximate 21 mile pure electric range gets about 550 miles on 13 gallons of unleaded. I don’t care if it’s the diesel. The JT or JL can’t get close to that.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Honestly, I am a bit intrigued by that new Scout. Solid rear axle, locking front and rear diff, bolt-on bumpers and rockers, sway bar disconnects, and dual electric motors. I dunno that I am in the market for one as a daily, but as a weekend toy? I'm not hating the idea.

It’d be a great daily as well. Extended range is a stellar system.

 

[ChrisNLA]

I like the Scout a lot - I'm just not sold on the additional complexities of a PHEV yet. If leasing, or dumping it when the warranty runs out was an option - I'd go that route. I'd much rather deal with a full EV beyond that.

That's really what 'they' want anyway. Cars as a service. Just like a phone, getcha a new one every few years. Stay on the tit.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I like the Scout a lot - I'm just not sold on the additional complexities of a PHEV yet. If leasing, or dumping it when the warranty runs out was an option - I'd go that route. I'd much rather deal with a full EV beyond that.

That's really what 'they' want anyway. Cars as a service. Just like a phone, getcha a new one every few years. Stay on the tit.

I’d much rather have an extended range than a PHEV. Less complex, and way more pure electric range the PHEV. “They” might want that, but I don’t. I like keeping cars. Don’t get me wrong. I love car shopping. But if I had my choice (and more cash), I’d just keep them all and build more garages.

 

[Phoenix_Guard]

"Past, Present and Future of Jeep: 4xe is Here to Stay" (2021 Article headline)

Well, that aged poorly.

 

[biodiesel]

Well, that aged poorly.

Electric cars will continue in some facet, but the wind was knocked out of its sails. I saw the following article last night. Even public opinion has changed on electric.

Why I no longer support electric cars - and why you may feel the same soon

 

[Phoenix_Guard]

Electric cars will continue in some facet, but the wind was knocked out its sails. I saw the following article last night. Even public opinion has changed on electric.

Why I no longer support electric cars - and why you may feel the same soon

Thanks for sharing that article, I'll give it a read. Personally, I think waning interest in EVs comes down to:

1. People not being able to justify the price for EVs (especially new) without the government tax credit. The price gap between EV and ICE models is substantial, and owners may need to make additional expensive lifestyle changes to make an EV work for them (like installing a home charger).
2. Public issues with reliability or recalls for new models, the 4xe being an excellent example. The Dodge Hornet PHEV and Dodge Charger Daytona are other examples that come to mind of EVs that just seemed doomed from day 1. The Daytona in particular seemingly had no audience to begin with and was riddled with electrical issues. Ford recalled practically everything they've built over the last five years in 2025, including 13 recalls for the Mach-E and F-150 Lightning (recall study linked here). I do think there's some associated loss of trust in non-established EV models, which creates a vicious circle because manufacturers aren't incentivized to innovate new vehicles if the sales models don't show potential for profit.

I drive a Mach-E that I've really enjoyed thus far, but I can see how the average person wouldn't want to roll the dice on a more expensive vehicle that might end up being a huge headache.

 

[Wildtoad]

A ton. An EV would have cost about $17 for those 500 miles. Our PHEV with the same approximate 21 mile pure electric range gets about 550 miles on 13 gallons of unleaded. I don’t care if it’s the diesel. The JT or JL can’t get close to that.

I was mainly questioning the ton of trips to the gas station comment. Counting the initial fill-up as one trip to the station, you didn't have to go again. That's good. In my JT to go the same miles in mixed use driving, I'd have to make one additional fill-up and after the 500 miles I'd have 3/4 of a tank left. So you got me by one trip. Based on 500 miles in 3 months, If she only travels 2,200 miles in a year she wouldn't go to the station much if she drove a Hummer.

Not diminishing the value of the PHEV in reducing the amount spent of gas, or convenience of plugging in at home to recharge the battery. Your wife's driving requirements seems to fit well for either an EV or PHEV. Her commutes may be frequent but very short, and that's good.

 

[Hootbro]

"Past, Present and Future of Jeep: 4xe is Here to Stay" (2021 Article headline)

Well, that aged poorly.

To be fair, in the political climate it was written in 2021 and with no indication post 2024 election would bring any regulation change, it was a fairly accurate assessment for the time.

We could circle back to this in 4 more years and it could be relevant again.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I was mainly questioning the ton of trips to the gas station comment. Counting the initial fill-up as one trip to the station, you didn't have to go again. That's good. In my JT to go the same miles in mixed use driving, I'd have to make one additional fill-up and after the 500 miles I'd have 3/4 of a tank left. So you got me by one trip. Based on 500 miles in 3 months, If she only travels 2,200 miles in a year she wouldn't go to the station much if she drove a Hummer.

Not diminishing the value of the PHEV in reducing the amount spent of gas, or convenience of plugging in at home to recharge the battery. Your wife's driving requirements seems to fit well for either an EV or PHEV. Her commutes may be frequent but very short, and that's good.

More like frequent, but long ish. About 70 miles one way in the mountains. Meaning over mountain passes at 11k feet. Both the cheap pure EV and the PHEV do it with zero range issues. The pure EV goes if it’s not expected to be a blizzard. The PHEV if it is, as it’s AWD with snow tires. The EV is 2wd with 3 peak Michelin all seasons, so still does fine.

 

[Pilsner]

Its looking like solid state batteries are going into evs now, at least in Verge motorcycles. I wonder if the battery technology advancing has anything to do with it? Seems really promising for EV practicality.

The jury is still out and I doubt they have what they claim. They still have not had their tech reviewed or even out out a real spec sheet. There are not many people convinced they have a real solid state battery.

 

[ecidiego]

More like frequent, but long ish. About 70 miles one way in the mountains. Meaning over mountain passes at 11k feet. Both the cheap pure EV and the PHEV do it with zero range issues. The pure EV goes if it’s not expected to be a blizzard. The PHEV if it is, as it’s AWD with snow tires. The EV is 2wd with 3 peak Michelin all seasons, so still does fine.

What's rad about BEVs and mountains... top of mountain 150 range.... bottom 190 range. One pedal ftw!

 

[DirkG]

What's interesting about the "4xe is dead" storyline is that Jeep just had a newly redesigned 2026 Grand Wagoneer 4xe at the Detroit Auto Show:

https://[Banned Site]/range-extender-jeep-grand-wagoneer-4xe-quietly-shows-up-in-detroit/

 

[NC_Overland]

What's interesting about the "4xe is dead" storyline is that Jeep just had a newly redesigned 2026 Grand Wagoneer 4xe at the Detroit Auto Show:

https://[Banned Site]/range-extender-jeep-grand-wagoneer-4xe-quietly-shows-up-in-detroit/

That’s a completely different system and not going anywhere.

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